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Woosh , , and new flags [ three !? ] arrive

Cluster A, B, and C flags !!

[ no ID, help appreciated !! - A, B, and C in order ]

I tried thinking of colours that were considered odd, paranoia-related, or eccentric, and that's how we came up with the first flag !! We wanted one slightly bright colour to really represent the word "eccentric" in the definition, and thought that fit best.

For the second flag, we tried thinking of colours more associated with love, hate, egocentrism, nervousness, and sadness !! The burgundy, we mostly thought of NPD, ASPD, and BPD for. The yellow, Histrionic. I feel like the blue comes from all of the PDs in this category , , considering lack of attention, insults, or slight things we deem wrong tends to make us sad or angry , , or things similar.

For the third flag, we thought of anxiety, obsession, anger, loneliness, and irrationality. I came up with yellow, green, and blue. The colours aren't for particular disorders in the group, but if I had to describe it, I'd say the blue fits AVPD, the yellow fits DPD, and the green fits OCD.

The white for all of them represents the ability to grow, the hope we could have, the love that is very possible no matter the PD.

I hope the flags aren't too complex '^^ , ,

To simplify them, the very bottom and top band could be removed, along with the white if wanted.

tagging for , , yeah @mogai-sunflowers - @kirby-in-wonderland - @hypnosiacon - @cupidcoining (it won't let me tag for some reason 😭😭.) I tried tagging those who might be interested or I know have PDs , , reblogging to tag others who you'd think would like it is appreciated !!

Random disabled thing.

We don't feel like any of the "support needs labels/levels" really fits us.

Like we wouldn't really say we are low support needs. We definitely aren't high support needs. And medium kinda seems wrong?

We are like high low support needs to low medium support needs, we feel like.

Do any other beings feel like this? Like you are in between support needs "levels"/"labels"/whatever the word is?

- Shay 🐾

So random update on the whole creating packmates thing. Hit the "keep reading" if you want to.

We have 2 packmates that have shown up after we were thinking about creating them, and we didn't really do much to "actually go about creating them." We wrote down stuff about them and did a little bit of "role-playing" in our head with them (we do this for tons of ocs, some of which we have introjected or gotten kins of but we have ones that neither of these things happened for). So that's fun.

We have Arden Cat, who is a minecraft fictive and kin (they use both terms for itself). Thir source/canon is a bit different than the "traditional" minecraft. Iv are an ender cat nether wolf hybrid. Ixs technical source is specifically Stampy's Lovely World [anyone who thinks this is cringe or whatever, get off our blog], and they hold our special hyperfixation for both Minecraft and Stampy's Lovely World.

We also have Nile Conley-Wayne, who is a DC and batfam fictive. In their source/canon, it was the second adopted child of Bruce, being adopted not too long after Dick. They had 3 partners [all ocs] in its canon. We are planning on trying to introject at least one of the partners. Nile is nonhuman. Not sure what else to say about Nile.

We have 2 that we planned out a bit for that we haven't gotten to actually show up yet.

We have Rylo, who isn't supposed to be a fictive or anything, but they could end up being one. We are planning for them to be an "anthro golden jackal dhole maned wolf hybrid + working dog (no specific breed and doesn't affect appearance)." We are hoping to have these be their roles (taken right from our thing for them). "Assidumate, motivator, nummica, spoon generator, worker, and maybe cohost(?)" [Link to where we found the roles]. This is all we are gonna mention about Rylo for now.

We also have Curren Woolley, who is a DC fictive sort of based around the Arrowverse. They are the partner of Nile that we want to introject. They are a part of team Flash and see that team as their family. Curren is nonhuman. This is all we are gonna mention about Curren for now.

We also have an idea for a packmate that we wanna create, but all we really know so far is what role(s) we want them to have. Here are the roles: "Somnoian, sleep soother, sleeper, and drowser." Basically, we need a packmate to help with sleep. We are thinking maybe a cat could fit them? Cause cats like to sleep a lot, but we don't know. If anyone has any ideas we would love to hear them!

- Shay 🐾

We are being overwhelmed by a bunch of movie choices to watch while we try and either sleep or continue doing random stuff on our phone. Help.

Gonna do a poll so anyone who sees our post rn can help us decide on a movie to watch [our brain may end up actually choosing a different movie than the poll actually ends up as, cause of our stupid PDA (Pathological demand avoidance) and stuff]

Also, for the "Other" option, please have the movies be kid friendly as we [Shay subpack] might be slightly regressed rn.

Apparently, the poll has to last for either a day or a week, but it will actually last for like 1 hour or so for us.

Edit done at 01:20 AM where we are: We have decided to watch/have on Scooby-Doo Camp Scare, so we are actually listening to the poll, saying that last bit almost makes us not want to, but we will.

- Shay 🐾

Gonna talk more about this.

For this post, we/us/our/etc. is being used for just the Shay Subpack unless otherwise stated.

We are all different "sides" or "facets" or "parts" of Shay, which is different from the rest of the pack.

They are separate from us in a way that's different. They are their own beings through and through. We aren't.

We are mainly just different lives that Shay has lived. Though there are some things that are slightly different between us. For example, Zuki is definitely cupioromantic, while both Cyan & Akay definitely aren't (and Shay [this life's version] is totally confused on their romanticity & sexuality). But overall, we are mainly just different "parts" of Shay.

We don't quite know if this makes us median or not, and maybe it's not that important to know, but we still would love to hear what others think.

Edit: [Also, we are pretty sure all of us had Shay in our names (middle name) in all of our lives, so there's that, lol. It's how Shay came up with using that online from having Shay as a middle name as Zuki]

- Shay Subpack 🐾🪶🩵🖌

We'd love to hear more about median plurals.

Cause we are kinda wondering if we (Shay subpack) are a median subpack cause we are technically all parts of Shay.

We are different from our other packmates. They are distinct. They are their own beings in a way that we in the Shay subpack aren't.

We'd just love to hear more about median plurals and their experiences.

- Shay Subpack 🐾🪶🩵🖌

We'd love to hear more about median plurals.

Cause we are kinda wondering if we (Shay subpack) are a median subpack cause we are technically all parts of Shay.

We are different from our other packmates. They are distinct. They are their own beings in a way that we in the Shay subpack aren't.

We'd just love to hear more about median plurals and their experiences.

- Shay Subpack 🐾🪶🩵🖌

Coining post time!!!

Term: Special hyperfixation

Meaning: When something isn't clear between if it's a hyperfixation or a special interest. So it's just called both in an easier way.

Extra: This term is for neurodivergent beings, thought of with AuDHD beings in mind, but if a being genuinely has hyperfixations and special interests, they can use it. This term can be added to similar things as hyperfixation and special interest can. Such as alters/headmates/etc. that hold special hyperfixations just like those that hold special interests and hyperfixations.

So far, there is not a flag or symbol, if any being wants to make one, that is 100% fine.

This term is free to use. Credit is appreciated but not required.

- Shay 🐾

questions! 1, 4 and 21 :}

This post is gonna be long, so if you want to read it, press the "keep reading" thing!

1. Kintypes?

Ok, gonna answer for all of us who are known, lol. We are working on making/creating some packmates that aren't included in this post.

For me, it's wolf, dog, cat, crow, and ockins (Zuki, Cyan, and Akay. Zuki is MHA/BNHA, Cyan is RWBY, and Akay is DDLC). And then also "mixtures" of the previous ("actual") animal kins (such as wolfdog, cat + crow, etc). I might actually have more kins than this, but these are the known ones.

We have Shirley, who shifts between multiple (if not all) medium and big dog breeds [and some other canines, like wolves and foxes]. There is also Lynix, who shifts between multiple kinds of felines (domestic cat breeds, lions, etc). Declan is a cat. Den is a dragon.

Mystery and Lakey are hard to actually pinpoint what they actually are, lol. But they aren't human.

We have (oc) fictives as well. We don't know whether to really count them for their "fictiveness," but they do fit under the alterhuman and nonhuman communities, and they use those terms, so we will talk about them a bit. Vesper is a fallen angel from the Helluvaverse (if you [general you] don't like that we have a Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss fictive than just block us pls). Okami is a werecreature from MHA/BNHA [my cousin!!!]. Oynx is a wolfdog animatronic from FNAF. Phalen is a werecreature from the Harry Potter universe [not sure what timeline they are from, lol]. Moonfire is a tiefling dragon mix from DND [we have never actually played DND in this life sadly].

We also have a "subsystem" (we call it a subpack, lol. As we use pack instead of system) that is fictive(s) from Encanto [we are bodily white, so if this upsets anyone, just block us please]. We aren't gonna go into any real detail about this subpack, but we will say that none of them are (actually) human, lol.

4. Favorite kintype?

This is hard, lol. For the longest time, I was mainly talking about Zuki, but I don't think I would call Zuki my "favorite." I miss my life as Zuki, but I also miss my life as Cyan and Akay. I miss being more animal-like than this stupid human body [this body is stupid cause it doesn't fit any of us, not because 'humans are bad' btw. We don't hate humans. We may have fear and shit of (unknown to us) humans, but we don't hate humans]. Anyways, I would probably just say a mixture of all of my ("actual") animal kins, so a wolfdog cat crow creature, lol.

Don't think we/I am gonna answer for the others, cause this is longer than we thought it'd be.

21. How does your plurality affect your alterhumanity?

Hey, it's our question we added for us!!! Also, did we use "affect" right?

Anyways, our plurality affects our alterhumanity in many ways, lol. We have talked a bit about multiple of our/my packmates in this post already. None of us in the "Wildlife Pack" are human. We are all alterhumans and nonhumans.

Our plurality is also very much intertwined with our alterhumanity. It is essentially part of our alterhumanity. While some plural beings may not consider themselves alterhumans, plurality is/can be a part of the alterhuman umbrella. And that is definitely the case for us.

We don't know exactly what our origin is for our plurality but we are pretty sure (around 99.99% sure) that we do not have a CDD [CDD means complex dissociative disorder, which are things like DID, OSDD, etc]. We also think trauma at least impacted our plurality even if it didn't cause it, so we mostly call ourselves quoitraumagenic, but we might not 100% fit under "traumagenic." Anyways, we are 100% pro endo and endo safe!! If anyone doesn't like that, block us.

- Shay 🐾

Anyways, we/I have ranted for a lot of this post, lol. So this is gonna be the end of it for now.

Also, if there are any mistakes with spelling, grammar, etc. Only correct us if you are meaning it in a constructive way, please. As we are bad with English (despite it being our main/only language in this life/body, lol). [We are disabled in multiple ways, and it affects us in multiple ways.]

Yeah! Send us asks!

Also, we are gonna add another question to this whole thing for us.

21. How does your plurality affect your alterhumanity?

Also, you can send other questions in our asks if you want!!

- Shay 🐾

Alterhuman questions

Kintypes?

What do you prefer to call yourself (therian, otherkin, nonhuman, etc)

How did you find out you were alterhuman?

Favorite kintype?

Most recent kintype?

Least favorite kintype?

What are your reasonings for being alterhuman?

Do you wear gear? If so, what kind?

Any advice to new alterhumans?

What're some things you do to affirm your kintypes?

Strangest thing you do to affirm your kintypes?

What are your goals to affirm your kintypes?

Do you do quads?

Funniest way you found out a kintype?

How does being alterhuman affect your day to day life?

Does being alterhuman affect your religious beliefs?

Do your mental illnesses affect your view of your alterhumanness?

Does being alterhuman affect your gender?

What is your favorite thing about being alterhuman

What is your least favorite thing about being alterhuman

PS. I know not everyone resonates with the word kintype and I'm sorry for using it I just didn't know what other word to use

Reblogging this means that you want people to send you asks!

We've seen a few beings doing this so we want to join in.

Our species transition goals (+ some gender and plural things):

Get moveable ears and tail and get to wear them (almost if not) all the time [we currently have a normal fake fur tail that we wear almost all the time]

Get paw prints tattooed on our paws

Get some wings tattooed on our back

Also, get moveable wings to wear when we want/need to

Go on T (this goes with us being bodily transmasc as well)

Look into other types of gear for me and my packmates

Get to change our legal name (this is more for gender and plural reasons, though)

Get permanent fangs

Get top surgery (also for gender reasons)

Look into even more ways to transition more

If anyone has any more tips or ideas for us, feel free to share them!! Also, feel free to reblog this post if you want to make your own version of this!

For the tips/ideas, we are gonna mention the species we have in our pack (the term we use instead of system).

We have canines, felines, dragons, a tiefling, a fallen angel (that is very canine and feline like), and two creatures/beings that we aren't sure what exactly they are.

- Shay 🐾

Rebloging to ask if beings would like updates on how creating/making packmates is going for us.

The updates would be their own posts, btw.

- Shay 🐾

Question for the systems/plurals (or whatever term that beings use for those types of things) that have intentionally created alter(s)/headmate(s) [or whatever term].

How do you actually go about doing that? We are interested in trying to make/create some packmates (our version of alters/headmates) but we don't really know how to go about that.

We hope that we have explained this in a very respectful way.

- Shay 🐾 & Mystery ❔️ (when we started writing this post, Mystery was also in front, but not when posting this)

Edit (we originally just had this in the comments, but it's worth adding to the actual post): Add on to our original post. We have seen tumblr posts of "make a headmate/alter," are those recommended? (Hope this makes at least some sense). We don't necessarily mean using one or asking for one to be made for us. We just mean how they are formatted and all that. But also, would beings recommend using one of those?

We believe that tulpamancy requires intention.

However, there are many different types of plurality, and some aren't from intentional creation and also not from trauma.

From what we know, DID/OSDD/CDD (CDD means complex dissociative disorder) has to come from trauma. But those aren't the only ways to be plural.

We are plural that is partially traumagenic and partially endogenic (endogenic is just any plurality that isn't from trauma). [Also traumagenic doesn't always equal a CDD].

However, even though plurality can happen even without trying, you shouldn't be scared to cope how you want/need to.

- Shay 🐾

Hey, so don’t take this the wrong way, this is just a huge possibly irrational fear of mine that stems from like OCD and anxiety and it would be great if someone could tell me wether or not this is possible.

So I’m nonhuman and my identity is linked to my kin types. I have three: Cat, Fae, and linktype; Vulture.

They all bring a sense of comfort to me and all serve slightly different purposes. My Cat identity just brings general comfort and makes me feel more grounded. My Fae one brings me comfort specifically around humans, and my vulture one makes me feel shielded and protected, while also helping me deal with compulsive urges and whatnot (covering myself and blocking my view with my wings.)

A while back when I had discovered what tulpamancy was and wanted to try manifesting one for a while, before ultimately deciding against it since to me the cons outweighed the pros. Ever since then I’ve been pretty scared of like accidentally creating a tulpa.

So, my question….. Can I like. Accidentally. Manifest alters by doing this? Some of the manifestation methods I came across while researching tulpamancy seem scarily similar, and I don’t wanna accidentally give myself three different alters because I coped too fucking hard, it’s noisy enough up there💔.

I don’t know if tulpamancy requires intention and I don’t know how DD alters manifest aside from trauma throughout childhood and I really don’t wanna find out the hard way. Google isn’t saying much either.

Rebloging our own post cause we really would love some more advice!

- Shay 🐾

Question for the systems/plurals (or whatever term that beings use for those types of things) that have intentionally created alter(s)/headmate(s) [or whatever term].

How do you actually go about doing that? We are interested in trying to make/create some packmates (our version of alters/headmates) but we don't really know how to go about that.

We hope that we have explained this in a very respectful way.

- Shay 🐾 & Mystery ❔️ (when we started writing this post, Mystery was also in front, but not when posting this)

Edit (we originally just had this in the comments, but it's worth adding to the actual post): Add on to our original post. We have seen tumblr posts of "make a headmate/alter," are those recommended? (Hope this makes at least some sense). We don't necessarily mean using one or asking for one to be made for us. We just mean how they are formatted and all that. But also, would beings recommend using one of those?

Question for the systems/plurals (or whatever term that beings use for those types of things) that have intentionally created alter(s)/headmate(s) [or whatever term].

How do you actually go about doing that? We are interested in trying to make/create some packmates (our version of alters/headmates) but we don't really know how to go about that.

We hope that we have explained this in a very respectful way.

- Shay 🐾 & Mystery ❔️ (when we started writing this post, Mystery was also in front, but not when posting this)

Edit (we originally just had this in the comments, but it's worth adding to the actual post): Add on to our original post. We have seen tumblr posts of "make a headmate/alter," are those recommended? (Hope this makes at least some sense). We don't necessarily mean using one or asking for one to be made for us. We just mean how they are formatted and all that. But also, would beings recommend using one of those?

Hey, what are your opinions on frogs? We need strong opinions, it’s for a school project (lie). -Consensus

Frogs are cool!!!

We love all animals!!!

We don't know much about frogs, though.

Sorry, this probably isn't really what you want. But this is what we can give.

- Shay 🐾

Literally me. I am always fronting.

Although the colors/flag hurts our eyes a bit, lol. Would we be able to make an "alt flag" (that's what they are called, right?) of this?

- Shay 🐾

LockHost

Ive been looking for a system term to describe myself for a while, and decided fuck it we ball and made one myself

A lockhost is an alter in a system that seems to be the 'main' host, and is almost always fronting. They may also decribe themself as 'front-locked' or 'front sticky,' but this may not always be the case. They may be able to leave front or the front area, but are usually aware of whats going on with front anyways, and they are quite often pulled back to front within a short period of time. Because of this, they usually become the bodies 'main identity' in a system.

Other alters may use the identity of the lockhost as a mask in the case that they do not want to show themself, and may also interact with or control the body via the lockhost. In the case of a lockhost being an introject, it would not be uncommon for several doubles of the lockhosts source to also be present in the system.

Lockhosts may also act similarly to 'Observers,' in that they are always aware of the body to some degree, and can quickly be pulled to front in the case that they happen to not be fronting in the traditional sense. The lockhost may also serve many other roles in the system, but not always.

In the case of a lockhost also being part of a subsystem or side system, they may or may not be a lockhost of those as well.

!!!THIS CREATOR OF THIS TERM IS PRO ENDO. I CANNOT STOP ANTI-ENDOS FROM USING IT BUT DO NOT INTERACT WITH ME OR MY POSTS OR I WILL BLOCK. ENDO NEURTALS ARE FINE TO INTERACT. PLEASE RESPECT OUR BOUNDARIES!!!

We are aware that there is a similar term to this that was made by an anti endo, however this term was coined without knowledge of the post existing. Do with that info what you will, keep us out of discourse. And like we said before, we don't care who uses this term, but we ask that anti endos not reblogged so we don't get dragged into discourse.

No real clue, lol.

How did we just notice the "wolfdog" because that's what I am, lol. But in terms of the dog part of me, I don't know my breed(s). [We had picked "something else" originally].

My packmate, Shirley, is multiple medium to big dog breeds. They can shift into any form they want to. Some of our other packmates are also wolfdogs, lol.

- Shay 🐾

Silly little poll cause we all love clicking on things and finding out percentages 😌

+ I'm curious

If you're dogkin, what is your dog 'type? (if you have several, pls select the one that's the strongest of your identities!)

I'm curious cause these are the breeds I see the most often, and I wanna know what kind of dogs y'all are 👀✨

Us when we've been using these terms already and then find this, lol.

We don't really like using alter/headmate for any of us, and we were talking to one of our friends [who is also plural], and packmate was suggested as an alternative.

So we used packmate instead of alter/headmate and we use pack instead of system (we also use plural/plurality instead of system).

- Shay 🐾

Pack / Pack Mate

[PT: Pack / Pack Mate]

Aaa, a system member who prefers Pack/Pack Mate instead of alter/headmate(s); a term for when you use Pack/Pack Mate instead of alter/headmate(s).

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[Tags] @system-term-archive, @pluralitywords, @pluralterms, @radiomogai, @plurchive, @mates-friends-and-loves

Genderqueer, trans masc enby (nonbinary), and novigender are all ones that we tend to use for all of us.

Novigender means a gender experience too hard to read/process/understand or too complex to pin down to one word.

- Shay

random poll time! i was curious about the gender distribution of the alterhuman community so i made this. please only answer if you are otherkin, therian, fictionkin, otherhearted, holothere, archetrope, plural, or any other label under the umbrella

(im very sorry about the lack of options, i hit the maximum which is 12. again, if you are not alterhuman please refrain from voting on the poll. thank you :])

This is so true!!

We don't believe we have DID or OSDD, but we are plural, and it does seem like our trauma affected our plurality.

We won't argue with anyone trying to say that we actually have DID/OSDD. It doesn't even really matter to us that much whether we do or do not. All that really matters is that we are plural.

We have had our moments of thinking that our trauma wasn't "bad enough" and shit like that. So, this post definitely helps a bit.

Remember, comparing trauma is not good for anyone.

- Shay 🐾

"my trauma wasn't bad enough i can't be a system"

whenever I hear people say this I always wonder, what metric are you using? your tolerance for how things affect you now as a teenager, or adult?

something that you experienced as a child is going to use a completely different metric! a child's brain is much less developed than an adult's and what they're able to handle is much less. for instance maybe you like horror movies? you probably can watch them without even getting scared! but if you watched the same film at 7 years old it would likely be a lot different!!

you don't need extreme trauma in order to have DID. it just needed to be extreme enough to YOU as a child, that's all. You got bullied at school? that's enough to develop DID! you had a disorder from an early age that made life hard? that's enough to develop DID! your parents were neglectful? that's enough to develop DID!

there's no such thing as gold star DID you don't need to have gone through the worst of the worst. there's no need for trauma olympics, if you have DID you have DID and that's all!

Picked nuance because of multiple reasons.

Firstly, we don't really use system for us [we use plural or pack mostly, lol].

Secondly, a lot of our sources (I am also gonna include my kins in this because yes) may seem "human" at first glance, but none of us have ever been human.

We all are nonhumans.

- Shay 🐾 | The host of the Wildlife Pack [which we commonly will just refer to as the Wild Pack]

survey!!

*if you have multiple fictives in your system answer for either whoever is fronting or whoever wants to answer

*if your source doesn't neatly fit into the nonhuman and human binary pick either what's closest or pick nuance

alterhuman = anyone who identifies as/is not entirely human, whether in full or in part

feel free to share your sources & identities in the replies/tags!!

Love this post!!!

We ourselves don't have DID or OSDD [at least not diagnosed, and we won't argue with anyone on if we do or do not actually have either of these]. We think that those disorders don't fit us because of reasons related to our own experiences, and arguing with us isn't gonna change shit.

However, we do think our plurality relates at least a little to our trauma, so in that way, we are both under the "endogenic" label and "traumagenic". The origin we describe ourselves as is specifically "quoitraumagenic" which is a mix of "quoigenic" and "traumagenic". We have a post with the definition from a website about plurality.

We don't typically want to talk about our origin(s?) for our plurality. We are plural, and that's all that actually matters.

- Shay 🐾

hey, i saw a post on here saying you guys support non "traumagenic" systems and I was wanting to know if thats true.

You guys are so amazing and have helped me with my identity a lot, but this information is really important to me as a trauma survivor with severe PTSD. If you are pro endos but are open to listening to trauma survivors and phycology sources, I absolutely will provide them. I want you guys to be a safe space for people with PTSD and dissociative disorders so bad, as people who has OSDDDID tend to have more "contradictory" labels in the first place, due to the complex relationship all the different alters identities make combined.

I'm hoping so much that you'll be open to listening if this is true.

hello! i'm good, i don't need any!

if you only have severe PTSD and not a dissociative disorder and do not identify as plural, you should NOT be commenting on plurality at all. like i hate to break it to you, but if you do not deal with plurality, you do not know what the experience is like. reading papers about it will not give you insight into how people actually live.

i'm an inclusive Dissociative Identity Disorder system who is 100% pro endo, and any other type of system. i support ALL plurals, i don't cherry pick. you're correct, this blog is a safe space, especially for people with "contradictory" identities or ones that "don't make sense." why wouldn't i be here for endogenic and non traumagenic systems?

that would go against everything i stand for.

i am a trauma survivor as well. i *have* DID, i don't really need any resources on the matter- before I was diagnosed i spent years researching, and i still do keep up with research. i am aware that DID and OSDD are caused by trauma! generally it's severe, repeated trauma and/or neglect. i have no memories of my life before the age of 10. i too have severe PTSD, i have a diagnosis for C-PTSD in specific. i live with this every day of my life. i still have a lot of trauma and triggers. i black out and lose time and regularly forget who i am or where i'm at.

something to keep in mind is research on DID has literally 0 bearing on other types of plurality. just because there is a lot of research into DID, OSDD, etc. does not mean that other plural experiences do not exist. when ONLY siting medical sources and saying that because there's no other "proof" or "evidence" that other types of plurality "can't" exist, it's an appeal to authority. there is no research data to point toward because studies on DID and OSDD and other dissociative disorders have really only gained traction within the last 10 - 20 years maximum. this is an extremely recent phenomenon! just because there are no (paid, keep in mind that studies have to find funding, and investors are picky) medical papers or studies to point toward doesn't mean something isn't happening.

someone identifying as plural without trauma is not an affront to plurals who do have trauma. someone identifying as a system who doesn't have or know of any childhood trauma is not spitting in your face. i've seen this take around and it's just not it. don't take someone else's mental health as an attack on yours. it's not hurting you at all for people to identify as plural if they don't have trauma. it's not spitting in *my* face, so it's not spitting in yours, either. it's okay to let non traumagenic systems exist. it's not exacerbating your trauma or re-traumatizing you or subjecting you to new trauma.

they're not saying that your trauma is invalid just because they don't have any. i don't like people who get on a high horse because they have a dissociative disorder and act like they get to police how other people's brains work. you only know how your brain works. you do not know how any other type of system works.

endogenic systems are not identifying as endogenic to spite you or dissociative systems. they're not doing it to hurt you. they're doing it because they identify as multiple people. that is not being done with the intention to hurt anyone. this is about THEM, not you. nobody is the protagonist of the plural community. no one.

as a plural, myself, i get to choose who i support. and i choose to support people who aren't hurting anyone or doing anything wrong. i really don't care how offensive some people find non traumagenic systems, but they're not hurting you, me, or anyone else. live and let live. you don't know how someone else's brain works. you will never be able to know how someone else's brain works. accepting that will make your life easier.

being angry at other people for not having trauma will not make yours go away or undo what was done to you. you should never take out your frustrations on people who haven't hurt you. endos haven't hurt you, you just don't agree with them. these are 2 separate things. also you really don't have the right to comment on the nature of how complex non traumagenic plurality is or is not- endogenic systems can have just as many nuanced and complex identities regardless of whether or not they're dissociating. they're still multiple people whether or not you see them that way. they also have complex identities, why wouldn't they? being different people leads to a lot of complexity. you should still see them as multiple people even if you don't think it's legit. that's basic respect for another person who, again, literally hasn't hurt you.

also endogenic and non dissociative systems are still people, and we should still care about them. they're still people even if you don't agree with them, and again: they have not hurt you by virtue of existing.

hope that helps and makes sense. i am not open to changing my mind on this, but i appreciate you giving me a good reason to explain my stance on the matter. i don't have the right to police other people and tell them how their own brains work. you don't have that right, either. i'm not here to police anyone. that goes against everything i stand for. i don't gatekeep.

i'm not a cop.

LOL

So far, we don't have a specific little alter, but I do age regress sometimes.

Although we don't have a job yet, we will be looking for one in January, though.

- Shay 🐾

If the little fronts on the clock can you sue for child labor

We found a different origin term that fits from the same site.

So this and unknown will be the ones we will likely use the most.

- Shay (They/it)

https://multiplicity.fandom.com/wiki/Category:System_origins

Looked at this to learn about plural origins.

These feel like the best terms for our origin right now.

So we will be using these terms, probably mostly unknown.

- Shay (They/it) | Host & someone else no idea who rn (they/it)

Changed profile picture to what used to be the banner thing.

Changed banner thing to the novigender flag mixed with the genderqueer flag (cause both are what I use for my gender [I/my used to refer to Shay, the host]).

- Shay (They/it)

Absolutely!!!

We actually growl a lot, not always on purpose, it's just instinct!

- Shay (They/it)

Wish growling/hissing was a more socially acceptable form of communication. Like, it's so effective: you hear a growl, you back off cuz you know you'll get bit otherwise.

As a plural [questioning origin] who is new to the plural and system community in general, I wanna point out that from what we've seen being a system/plural is not really the whole thing with DID and other dissociative disorder like that, it's the trauma and being a system is more of an "add-on" (sorry for phrasing it like that).

So people saying they are PLURAL or a SYSTEM or whatever other word they prefer to use without trauma is not misdiagnosing themselves cause they aren't claiming to have DID or OSDD or other trauma based dissociative disorders without trauma. They are just saying that they have a similar thing to people with those disorders (I hope we are explaining this correctly).

So why are anti endos so obsessed with trying to call them fake or saying that they are doing that? If you just listen to them, you would learn more, and isn't that better? Don't traumagenic systems/plurals want to be listened to instead of being thought of badly from misinformation and bad representation and shit? So why aren't they doing that for endos?

I wouldn't usually jump into "discourse" or anything, but we felt like this needed to be said and understood. If you don't like this post, leave my account, go ahead, and block me. It will save everyone a ton of time.

- Lakey (They/it + blu/blue/blues/blues/blueself) & Shay (They/it) | almost always here as the host, lol

I think a big part of the reason that I went from anti-endo to endo-safe was absolutely due to how starkly different the communities felt.

Anti-endo communities were hard to engage with. Sure, some of them would focus on their support for each other more than their hatred of endogenic systems. And that's great! However, when you are brought together by your dislike of a certain group, you can't help but feel the hate permiate into so much of it. It always happened eventually. Anti-endo communities had such a focus on systems who were "fake" that I couldn't help but worry I was one of them, no matter how much they told me it was "just endos" they were concerned about.

The endo community (at least the parts I've engaged with and were easy to find) were so kind and respected me as a system, no matter how I felt or my plurality presented. Simply knowing we could find joy in our plurality allowed us to strive for so much more than we had thought possible before.

As a traumagenic system, we've improved so much with our symptoms and communication as a result of the positivity and acceptance we recieved. When we joined communities where we could be authenticallly ourselves (no matter what), we came together and faced so much less conflict between each other. And the conficts we did have, we realized that we could solve them together rather than alone.

When you are constantly doubting if you are "actually a system", you start to push the others away, and that made our dissociation and amnesia so much worse. I understand being careful of self-misdiangnosis, it can put you on the wrong path for how you learn to manage your symptoms. At the same time, the sentiment I often heard from endogenic systems when I was struggling with doubt and denial was very simple: "So what if you're not a system?" In short, it was okay to be wrong.

And that was huge for me. I realized that, no matter if I was a system or not, the techniques I used to improve ourselves and communicate with one another beneficial to me. At the end of the day, even if I wasn't a system after all, the skills I had found we invaluble to my health and well-being. So when I fall into denial spirals, no matter what I think about myself, I now know that I don't need to deprive myself of what has helped me, even if it is a "system thing." I don't feel scared to use these skills anymore (even in denial spirals), beacuse the line between what systems and non-systems or singlets can/can't do suddenly wasn't a big deal or a battle of "who can do what."

Our plurality is no longer a burden or a scar to us. It is simply who we are. We've learned so much about each other and ourselves since we've been accepted in full, and since we've learned to accept others. Endogenic communities have helped us (a traumagenic system) probably more than they'll ever know, and we're forever grateful for that.

So thank you, endogenic systems.

Puppy boy with a hot dog? Call that a dog eat dog world

Just chugged energy drinks with my buddies and it came out of my nose and then I couldn’t stop laugh and I almost threw up. Very fun. Haven’t breathed so good in years. 10/10 recommend.