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moonfire is such an interesting name ! / pos .

what are prns aesthetics ?

angel / oath ( she / he ) , host .

Yeah, Moonfire is an interesting name, lol. They come from a D&D character idea we had, lol.

Sorry, we are a bit confused about your question. If you could explain a bit more we would appreciate it. :3c

- ShaySubpack 🐾

Send us asks about our packmates!

(All of our kins and fictives are ocs so far)

List of all known/named packmates;

ShaySubpack (asked for overall or individually); Zuki, Cyan, and Akay 🐾🪶🩵🖌 (emojis are in order)

Declan 😺

Lakey 🌊

Lynix 🐈‍⬛

Shirley 🦮

Den 🐲

Mystery ❔️

Phalen x2(?) 🌕

Onyx 🐺

Arden ⛏️

Moonfire 🌙🔥

Nile 🦇

Okami 🌖

Vesper 🌠

Mani(?) Another subpack 🌹

You can put names and/or emojis [we'd prefer at least names] for who you are asking about (hopefully every being will answer their own questions, lol). Just ask a question and put who you're asking about!

Edit: Also if you don't have specific questions, you can just put who you're asking about and who ever it is will just probably ramble a bit, lol.

- Shay 🐾

So random update on the whole creating packmates thing. Hit the "keep reading" if you want to.

We have 2 packmates that have shown up after we were thinking about creating them, and we didn't really do much to "actually go about creating them." We wrote down stuff about them and did a little bit of "role-playing" in our head with them (we do this for tons of ocs, some of which we have introjected or gotten kins of but we have ones that neither of these things happened for). So that's fun.

We have Arden Cat, who is a minecraft fictive and kin (they use both terms for itself). Thir source/canon is a bit different than the "traditional" minecraft. Iv are an ender cat nether wolf hybrid. Ixs technical source is specifically Stampy's Lovely World [anyone who thinks this is cringe or whatever, get off our blog], and they hold our special hyperfixation for both Minecraft and Stampy's Lovely World.

We also have Nile Conley-Wayne, who is a DC and batfam fictive. In their source/canon, it was the second adopted child of Bruce, being adopted not too long after Dick. They had 3 partners [all ocs] in its canon. We are planning on trying to introject at least one of the partners. Nile is nonhuman. Not sure what else to say about Nile.

We have 2 that we planned out a bit for that we haven't gotten to actually show up yet.

We have Rylo, who isn't supposed to be a fictive or anything, but they could end up being one. We are planning for them to be an "anthro golden jackal dhole maned wolf hybrid + working dog (no specific breed and doesn't affect appearance)." We are hoping to have these be their roles (taken right from our thing for them). "Assidumate, motivator, nummica, spoon generator, worker, and maybe cohost(?)" [Link to where we found the roles]. This is all we are gonna mention about Rylo for now.

We also have Curren Woolley, who is a DC fictive sort of based around the Arrowverse. They are the partner of Nile that we want to introject. They are a part of team Flash and see that team as their family. Curren is nonhuman. This is all we are gonna mention about Curren for now.

We also have an idea for a packmate that we wanna create, but all we really know so far is what role(s) we want them to have. Here are the roles: "Somnoian, sleep soother, sleeper, and drowser." Basically, we need a packmate to help with sleep. We are thinking maybe a cat could fit them? Cause cats like to sleep a lot, but we don't know. If anyone has any ideas we would love to hear them!

- Shay 🐾

Gonna talk more about this.

For this post, we/us/our/etc. is being used for just the Shay Subpack unless otherwise stated.

We are all different "sides" or "facets" or "parts" of Shay, which is different from the rest of the pack.

They are separate from us in a way that's different. They are their own beings through and through. We aren't.

We are mainly just different lives that Shay has lived. Though there are some things that are slightly different between us. For example, Zuki is definitely cupioromantic, while both Cyan & Akay definitely aren't (and Shay [this life's version] is totally confused on their romanticity & sexuality). But overall, we are mainly just different "parts" of Shay.

We don't quite know if this makes us median or not, and maybe it's not that important to know, but we still would love to hear what others think.

Edit: [Also, we are pretty sure all of us had Shay in our names (middle name) in all of our lives, so there's that, lol. It's how Shay came up with using that online from having Shay as a middle name as Zuki]

- Shay Subpack 🐾🪶🩵🖌

We'd love to hear more about median plurals.

Cause we are kinda wondering if we (Shay subpack) are a median subpack cause we are technically all parts of Shay.

We are different from our other packmates. They are distinct. They are their own beings in a way that we in the Shay subpack aren't.

We'd just love to hear more about median plurals and their experiences.

- Shay Subpack 🐾🪶🩵🖌

We'd love to hear more about median plurals.

Cause we are kinda wondering if we (Shay subpack) are a median subpack cause we are technically all parts of Shay.

We are different from our other packmates. They are distinct. They are their own beings in a way that we in the Shay subpack aren't.

We'd just love to hear more about median plurals and their experiences.

- Shay Subpack 🐾🪶🩵🖌

We are gonna just call us (Shay & "kins") a subpack. If we end up being technically "wrong" with that term, then oh well.

- Shay 🐾

We have a question for plural beings.

How do you know if you are a subsystem/part of a subsystem?

We are now kinda questioning if "me" (Shay and "my" kins) are technically a subpack (we use pack instead of system).

We/I get uncomfortable at times saying I/me/my/etc when it should fit (example; my wings) and would much rather say we/us/our/etc at those times. But then there are also times when we/I seem to have no real problem with I/me/my/etc.

Even if we figure out that we are a subpack in our pack, we would still probably just refer to the "kins" as just that cause fictive feels weird for them?

Honestly, we are just pretty confused, lol.

Like "my kins" feel like "me" more than my/our other packmates, but idk.

- Shay 🐾

We have a question for plural beings.

How do you know if you are a subsystem/part of a subsystem?

We are now kinda questioning if "me" (Shay and "my" kins) are technically a subpack (we use pack instead of system).

We/I get uncomfortable at times saying I/me/my/etc when it should fit (example; my wings) and would much rather say we/us/our/etc at those times. But then there are also times when we/I seem to have no real problem with I/me/my/etc.

Even if we figure out that we are a subpack in our pack, we would still probably just refer to the "kins" as just that cause fictive feels weird for them?

Honestly, we are just pretty confused, lol.

Like "my kins" feel like "me" more than my/our other packmates, but idk.

- Shay 🐾

(Ignore how long this reply took to make)

Btw, in case you didn't realize, our post was not an "attack" or hate to you. We are also autistic (and adhd).

We get where you are coming from, and we once again mostly agree with you.

This is coming from beings that don't use therian or otherkin as our labels, btw. We mostly use nonhuman (as well as alterhuman and transspecies).

We also want body mods and social transition in more than just wearing "gear." (We can't get that yet, just as we can't get that with us being under the trans umbrella cause of our family). And we would love to see social transition talked about way more as well!

We just also wanted to point at that while species transition isn't all about gear, that it also can be about gear for some.

(We do, in a way, consider anything that affirms our gender and species "transitional" to us, although not everyone would. So clothes to us is a way to "transition").

Once again, no hate to op. Sorry if it ever came off that way.

- Shay 🐾

just to clarify species transition =/= buy a bunch of stuff off etsy or amazon.

questions! 1, 4 and 21 :}

This post is gonna be long, so if you want to read it, press the "keep reading" thing!

1. Kintypes?

Ok, gonna answer for all of us who are known, lol. We are working on making/creating some packmates that aren't included in this post.

For me, it's wolf, dog, cat, crow, and ockins (Zuki, Cyan, and Akay. Zuki is MHA/BNHA, Cyan is RWBY, and Akay is DDLC). And then also "mixtures" of the previous ("actual") animal kins (such as wolfdog, cat + crow, etc). I might actually have more kins than this, but these are the known ones.

We have Shirley, who shifts between multiple (if not all) medium and big dog breeds [and some other canines, like wolves and foxes]. There is also Lynix, who shifts between multiple kinds of felines (domestic cat breeds, lions, etc). Declan is a cat. Den is a dragon.

Mystery and Lakey are hard to actually pinpoint what they actually are, lol. But they aren't human.

We have (oc) fictives as well. We don't know whether to really count them for their "fictiveness," but they do fit under the alterhuman and nonhuman communities, and they use those terms, so we will talk about them a bit. Vesper is a fallen angel from the Helluvaverse (if you [general you] don't like that we have a Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss fictive than just block us pls). Okami is a werecreature from MHA/BNHA [my cousin!!!]. Oynx is a wolfdog animatronic from FNAF. Phalen is a werecreature from the Harry Potter universe [not sure what timeline they are from, lol]. Moonfire is a tiefling dragon mix from DND [we have never actually played DND in this life sadly].

We also have a "subsystem" (we call it a subpack, lol. As we use pack instead of system) that is fictive(s) from Encanto [we are bodily white, so if this upsets anyone, just block us please]. We aren't gonna go into any real detail about this subpack, but we will say that none of them are (actually) human, lol.

4. Favorite kintype?

This is hard, lol. For the longest time, I was mainly talking about Zuki, but I don't think I would call Zuki my "favorite." I miss my life as Zuki, but I also miss my life as Cyan and Akay. I miss being more animal-like than this stupid human body [this body is stupid cause it doesn't fit any of us, not because 'humans are bad' btw. We don't hate humans. We may have fear and shit of (unknown to us) humans, but we don't hate humans]. Anyways, I would probably just say a mixture of all of my ("actual") animal kins, so a wolfdog cat crow creature, lol.

Don't think we/I am gonna answer for the others, cause this is longer than we thought it'd be.

21. How does your plurality affect your alterhumanity?

Hey, it's our question we added for us!!! Also, did we use "affect" right?

Anyways, our plurality affects our alterhumanity in many ways, lol. We have talked a bit about multiple of our/my packmates in this post already. None of us in the "Wildlife Pack" are human. We are all alterhumans and nonhumans.

Our plurality is also very much intertwined with our alterhumanity. It is essentially part of our alterhumanity. While some plural beings may not consider themselves alterhumans, plurality is/can be a part of the alterhuman umbrella. And that is definitely the case for us.

We don't know exactly what our origin is for our plurality but we are pretty sure (around 99.99% sure) that we do not have a CDD [CDD means complex dissociative disorder, which are things like DID, OSDD, etc]. We also think trauma at least impacted our plurality even if it didn't cause it, so we mostly call ourselves quoitraumagenic, but we might not 100% fit under "traumagenic." Anyways, we are 100% pro endo and endo safe!! If anyone doesn't like that, block us.

- Shay 🐾

Anyways, we/I have ranted for a lot of this post, lol. So this is gonna be the end of it for now.

Also, if there are any mistakes with spelling, grammar, etc. Only correct us if you are meaning it in a constructive way, please. As we are bad with English (despite it being our main/only language in this life/body, lol). [We are disabled in multiple ways, and it affects us in multiple ways.]

Yeah! Send us asks!

Also, we are gonna add another question to this whole thing for us.

21. How does your plurality affect your alterhumanity?

Also, you can send other questions in our asks if you want!!

- Shay 🐾

Alterhuman questions

Kintypes?

What do you prefer to call yourself (therian, otherkin, nonhuman, etc)

How did you find out you were alterhuman?

Favorite kintype?

Most recent kintype?

Least favorite kintype?

What are your reasonings for being alterhuman?

Do you wear gear? If so, what kind?

Any advice to new alterhumans?

What're some things you do to affirm your kintypes?

Strangest thing you do to affirm your kintypes?

What are your goals to affirm your kintypes?

Do you do quads?

Funniest way you found out a kintype?

How does being alterhuman affect your day to day life?

Does being alterhuman affect your religious beliefs?

Do your mental illnesses affect your view of your alterhumanness?

Does being alterhuman affect your gender?

What is your favorite thing about being alterhuman

What is your least favorite thing about being alterhuman

PS. I know not everyone resonates with the word kintype and I'm sorry for using it I just didn't know what other word to use

Reblogging this means that you want people to send you asks!

Yessss!!

Spoiler for Flash under the "keep reading" thing.

However, Frost and Caitlin do end up in different bodies, sadly.

It's honestly kinda disappointing in a way that they do this (at least it is to us) but yeah.

- Shay 🐾 | & maybe a DC Arrowverse related fictive; Curren 🏹⚡️🐾

Killer Frost from The Flash is Canonically Plural

For the first two seasons of The Flash, all we see is Caitlin Snow. A Killer Frost appears in season 2 but she's a different Caitlin from an alternate reality. In season 3, it's revealed that the main Caitlin has powers and becomes Killer Frost herself.

It's a little unclear how Killer Frost works in season 3. Is she another personality? Or is the transformation just changing Caitlin's mood to make her angrier and "colder."

Season 4 confirms her as a whole other person though. And it shows Caitlin and Frost having internal conversations with each other just like other systems. Caitlin and Frost gradually learn to accept each other throughout the series, and you can see Caitlin letting Frost regularly front to live her own life in season 6.

We've seen a few beings doing this so we want to join in.

Our species transition goals (+ some gender and plural things):

Get moveable ears and tail and get to wear them (almost if not) all the time [we currently have a normal fake fur tail that we wear almost all the time]

Get paw prints tattooed on our paws

Get some wings tattooed on our back

Also, get moveable wings to wear when we want/need to

Go on T (this goes with us being bodily transmasc as well)

Look into other types of gear for me and my packmates

Get to change our legal name (this is more for gender and plural reasons, though)

Get permanent fangs

Get top surgery (also for gender reasons)

Look into even more ways to transition more

If anyone has any more tips or ideas for us, feel free to share them!! Also, feel free to reblog this post if you want to make your own version of this!

For the tips/ideas, we are gonna mention the species we have in our pack (the term we use instead of system).

We have canines, felines, dragons, a tiefling, a fallen angel (that is very canine and feline like), and two creatures/beings that we aren't sure what exactly they are.

- Shay 🐾

Rebloging to ask if beings would like updates on how creating/making packmates is going for us.

The updates would be their own posts, btw.

- Shay 🐾

Question for the systems/plurals (or whatever term that beings use for those types of things) that have intentionally created alter(s)/headmate(s) [or whatever term].

How do you actually go about doing that? We are interested in trying to make/create some packmates (our version of alters/headmates) but we don't really know how to go about that.

We hope that we have explained this in a very respectful way.

- Shay 🐾 & Mystery ❔️ (when we started writing this post, Mystery was also in front, but not when posting this)

Edit (we originally just had this in the comments, but it's worth adding to the actual post): Add on to our original post. We have seen tumblr posts of "make a headmate/alter," are those recommended? (Hope this makes at least some sense). We don't necessarily mean using one or asking for one to be made for us. We just mean how they are formatted and all that. But also, would beings recommend using one of those?

Us when our disabilities disable us.

Like they are called disabilities for a reason.

- Shay 🐾

"you cant use your disabilities an excuse"

there are many reasons why a disability will disable someone. before you call it an excuse, maybe try considering why their disability, visible or invisible, effects their abilities.

We believe that tulpamancy requires intention.

However, there are many different types of plurality, and some aren't from intentional creation and also not from trauma.

From what we know, DID/OSDD/CDD (CDD means complex dissociative disorder) has to come from trauma. But those aren't the only ways to be plural.

We are plural that is partially traumagenic and partially endogenic (endogenic is just any plurality that isn't from trauma). [Also traumagenic doesn't always equal a CDD].

However, even though plurality can happen even without trying, you shouldn't be scared to cope how you want/need to.

- Shay 🐾

Hey, so don’t take this the wrong way, this is just a huge possibly irrational fear of mine that stems from like OCD and anxiety and it would be great if someone could tell me wether or not this is possible.

So I’m nonhuman and my identity is linked to my kin types. I have three: Cat, Fae, and linktype; Vulture.

They all bring a sense of comfort to me and all serve slightly different purposes. My Cat identity just brings general comfort and makes me feel more grounded. My Fae one brings me comfort specifically around humans, and my vulture one makes me feel shielded and protected, while also helping me deal with compulsive urges and whatnot (covering myself and blocking my view with my wings.)

A while back when I had discovered what tulpamancy was and wanted to try manifesting one for a while, before ultimately deciding against it since to me the cons outweighed the pros. Ever since then I’ve been pretty scared of like accidentally creating a tulpa.

So, my question….. Can I like. Accidentally. Manifest alters by doing this? Some of the manifestation methods I came across while researching tulpamancy seem scarily similar, and I don’t wanna accidentally give myself three different alters because I coped too fucking hard, it’s noisy enough up there💔.

I don’t know if tulpamancy requires intention and I don’t know how DD alters manifest aside from trauma throughout childhood and I really don’t wanna find out the hard way. Google isn’t saying much either.

Rebloging our own post cause we really would love some more advice!

- Shay 🐾

Question for the systems/plurals (or whatever term that beings use for those types of things) that have intentionally created alter(s)/headmate(s) [or whatever term].

How do you actually go about doing that? We are interested in trying to make/create some packmates (our version of alters/headmates) but we don't really know how to go about that.

We hope that we have explained this in a very respectful way.

- Shay 🐾 & Mystery ❔️ (when we started writing this post, Mystery was also in front, but not when posting this)

Edit (we originally just had this in the comments, but it's worth adding to the actual post): Add on to our original post. We have seen tumblr posts of "make a headmate/alter," are those recommended? (Hope this makes at least some sense). We don't necessarily mean using one or asking for one to be made for us. We just mean how they are formatted and all that. But also, would beings recommend using one of those?

Question for the systems/plurals (or whatever term that beings use for those types of things) that have intentionally created alter(s)/headmate(s) [or whatever term].

How do you actually go about doing that? We are interested in trying to make/create some packmates (our version of alters/headmates) but we don't really know how to go about that.

We hope that we have explained this in a very respectful way.

- Shay 🐾 & Mystery ❔️ (when we started writing this post, Mystery was also in front, but not when posting this)

Edit (we originally just had this in the comments, but it's worth adding to the actual post): Add on to our original post. We have seen tumblr posts of "make a headmate/alter," are those recommended? (Hope this makes at least some sense). We don't necessarily mean using one or asking for one to be made for us. We just mean how they are formatted and all that. But also, would beings recommend using one of those?