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吗呀我也不知道了别骂我
Draw trans liam!!!! Liam and her pretty star shaped tamourine... or liam and noel standing reeeaaalllllyyy close. like uncomfortably close. or liam sitting on noel's lap maybe even....
i love ur art. Its celestial.
Awww thank you here is fem! Liam with her butch Noel
omg I’m obsessed with fem liam
I want to make a really weird personality quiz that tells you if you've got Liam or Noel energy, but instead of basic stuff like “do you prefer cats or dogs” or “what’s your favourite instrument" the questions would be more like:
Would you rather be devoured by your own creation or starve worshipping someone else's? Would you rather be the knife or the hand that holds it? Do you trust the echo more than the original sound? Is nostalgia a form of devotion or decay?
You know. That kind of vibe.
Who wants it?
life is sooo much more fun when you start letting yourself believe that "spiritual stuff" is a euphemism for sex with noel.
Hi I really enjoyed reading your notes, there are not many out there that can draw a direct correlation with gcest and personally is the most interesting part about them.
Firm believer of the emotional incest of the 2 and the one that make a much stronger and toxic relationship as well. So yeah hopefully we can hear from you more often x
Hi! right, I find it so so interesting and it makes me happy that other people out there feel the same way. Yes, emotional incest definitely. Everything else you can believe in or not believe in, we‘ll never know but I think emotional incest is absolutely obvious with these two. It‘s not a normal sibling relationship, it‘s just not. I honestly think even Noel and Liam would agree that it‘s emotional incest if someone properly explained the meaning to them. I mean they wouldn‘t admit to agreeing (Maybe Liam would, honestly who knows with him) but it is crystal clear to me lol.
I‘ll upload more as soon as I learn more and get around to translating it again xxx
Just read your lecture notes. Such a sad topic. It's so sad to think about.
Also reminds me of when Liam was sexually harassing that airline stewardess and Noel was like "can't be sexual harassment. he does that to me all the time."
Especially since I sometimes think that the boys may have experienced some sexual abuse from adult males in their life....
Yeah, it is a really sad topic and while in a way i‘m super excited to learn more and draw more parallels, i‘m also really scared of what it makes me think. Cause just like you, I think that Noel and Liam experienced SA, there‘s just too many strange quotes. Like the one Liam quote where he says: „men and religion broke me“, the constant back and forth and contradicting info on weither or not Liam got hurt too („he never touched Liam“ and „Noel got it the worst“ and „My father especially hurt me a lot“ are all very, very different things). We also have Noel downplaying all the abuse he suffered and trying to normalize it („It was a different time, others had it worse“) and and and.
I hope I‘m wrong but also coming from personal experience with the topic it would explain a lot. I’ve actually had a draft about the stuff in their life that makes me believe they suffered some sort of SA for ageeees and am too afraid to post it cause i don‘t know what other people‘s opinions on this are, and because it is a very dark and sensitiv topic overall. But I mean, now I‘m posting about it too, so…
I didn‘t actually know that Noel quote about Liam „doing that to him all the time“! But oh wow. Classic Noel behaviour we‘ve got here. I find it so interesting how Noel on the one hand seems to be much more careful than Liam when it comes to their relationship (He lied multiple times trying to make their relationship sound worse or less close on the Matt Morgan podcast … like when he lied about never having given Liam birthday presents - And is also just not on twitter calling Liam stuff like GOD, you know), but on the other hand he seems to always want to show off how twisted their relationship is?? I‘m not sure how to explain it but he said lots of things that don‘t particularly make him and Liam seem normal. Like all the „mindgames“/„I play him like a slightly used card deck“ stuff he said about himself, and the „Liam is obsessed and in love with me“-narrative for Liam, where your quote fits in perfectly.
Thanks anon for sharing your thoughts and that quote xxx
Since people were asking for my notes from the "Attachment and Boundary Collapse in Sibling Incest"-Seminar that I can NOT believe i'm actually taking this semester (Am I in Gallaghercest school???), here are some of my notes from the first two weeks. There's more, it just takes ages to translate it, but if anyone is interested I can post more.
Feel like I also need to point out some parts that absolutely wrecked me, because they feel so Noel and Liam coded to me. Here you go:
-Not always inltiated by one clearly dominant party - this complicates blame but not harm.
-Initiating sibling may turn into safe place for the victim, groomed mentality. Grooming can occur subconsciously influenced by learned behaviour, modelling abuse.
-Survivors often report a deep shame and the need to repress it - not address it. Extremely vague choice of words when talking about their childhood experiences.
-Most come to terms with it but don't seek justice, feeling shame or the need to protect their sibling.
-Childhood incest -> Adult incest where both parties now consent - who decides where manipulation and grooming begins and ends? The phenomenon of "getting used to it" and "growing to like it".
-He really loves her but thinks this is the way you show love. She really loves him so she doesn't fight it.
-Sister never stops seeing her brother as her safe person because he was her first admirer. (little note: this killed me. I'm sobbing and shaking)
-Brother may later express awareness that it was wrong and try to keep his distance to his sister. She misses him but thrives in her personal life for the first time.
-If incest is the only consistent form of closeness or attention it may become scripted into their relational behaviour.
-Impact on Attachment Styles:
-Older Sibling: Risk of emotional isolation, "walls up", torn between wanting closeness and not trusting himself or others.
-Younger sibling: Struggles with commitment, trust and boundaries, may carry ambivalent feelings torwards their sibling (loyalty and love and betrayal and anger).
If this has grammar or spelling mistakes I'm sorry, oops. That's it for now (*≧▽≦) We're writing the academic, psychological gcest bible, just wait until I have to write an essay at the end of the semester... lol.
Liam calling Noel "Dad," as Noel is fucking him after a big fight so Noel hits him in the face and tells him to stop that and Liam moans it again and again cause he wants to push Noel's buttons more until Noel thinks to himself, you want Dad I'll give you Dad, and puts his hands over Liam's mouth and nose pressing down and fucking into him harder until Noel cums and there's no fight in Liam anymore so Noel lets go and pulls out and Liam's just barely awake, struggling to breathe and with his teary eyes rolling back but as Noel looks further down Liam's body he can see that he came too.
They could fuck on stage and the oasistwt people would be like "no no wait stop that pls liam people are going to get the wrong idea....🤢"
Why is oasistwt so scared of the truth
Noel sucking Liam’s cock in the studio because Liam wasn’t focusing
Only correct way to deal with that situation. And knowing Liam that's happened quite a lot. I'm thinking nowadays, reunion tour rehearsals. Liam's still sooo enchanted by Noel, like... woah, I've got him back, I've really got him back!!! Probably staring at Noel forgetting his lines and stuff, clearly with a hard on too. Embarassed but... what can you do - Noel knows anyways. Not getting anything done, Noel would pretend to be annoyed and secretly love it.
"Hello? Do your job. What the fuck is it now?" - "Nothing. Just need a shower." - "For fuck's sake we don't have time for you to shower. You’re worse than my annoying teenage sons, d'you know that? Are you actually like 14 fucking years old? Come here I'll sort it. Jesus christ," and Liam walking over to him right away, all relieved cause he needs it so bad
noel pressing teen liam to do drugs. liam agreeing so that his big brother won't get mad at him, then not being able to process it when noel starts fucking him and telling him "I like you better this way" during it
wait what if i WRITE the fanfiction that i want to read but that doesn't exist...
i'm sure we all agree that the "take me when i'm young and true" and "take me when i start to cry" lines are absolutely insane but why is no one talking about
"take me when you feel i've gone
liam quite literally saying he believes his identity, value and potential only exists in the eyes of noel???? also: internalized lack of worth, unless he's "taken" -> accepted, loved, claimed???
Why don't i have someone to roleplay gcest with life is so unfair i want to feel like a little kid making my two male barbies kiss kiss kiss then beat each other up then kiss again