He Could Have Realized That He's Good Enough. He Could Have Come To Terms With His Need To Be The Best,

Vorgh auxiliary for T'au.

So this is a little design exercise I did with my brother that I found fun and would love to hear warhammer fans thoughts:

GW decides every armies getting 2 new kits next year.

They say they aren't updating any, all of these kits are going to be entirely new per army, not models we've ever seen before (so you can't say necron pariah or an updated nightbringer, we've seen those)

What would you want them to add? To your or other armies.

Reblogging because my response has become too long to put in the replies:

I don't think many people view the traitor primarchs as irredeemable, and I think the number among people who are well-versed in Horus Heresy lore is even smaller. They are, from the beginning, tragic characters. They certainly have their damning characteristics (namely hypocrisy), but they aren't really presented as irredeemable--we even have explicit statements regarding redemption for two of them (Big E says Mortarion can be redeemed in Godblight, and he outright forgives Horus in The End and the Death Vol III). I don't entirely agree with your interpretations, however. I don't think any of them are irredeemable (at least, not due to their own actions), but I think they miss some key details.

For all Angron claimed to be standing against oppression, he spent over a century expanding the Emperor's (extremely oppressive) regime. There's no moral purity shit here, either--Angron is pretty open about how he hates serving the Emperor even as he reduces worlds to ash in his name. What you said about Mortarion also applies to Angron, because of the Butcher's Nails. He was denied the chance to die with his family on Nuceria, and for the remainder of his life before daemonhood, the one thing he wants to do is die. And then Lorgar takes that away from him.

Mortarion's fall is because, first and foremost, he cared about his sons. Typhus brought the legion to Nurgle's garden, and infected them with the Destroyer Plague. Mortarion fell to Nurgle because he wanted to end their pain. Mortion is also a hypocrite. Like Angron, for all his claims of hating tyranny, he still expanded a tyrant's domain for a century and a half. (Corvus Corax is also on this list, but this is about traitor primarchs, not loyalist)

Magnus' guilt is very hotly debated among the community, and both sides have a point. On the one hand, he did the best thing he could with the information he had available. On the other hand, he was incredibly cocky, and did not have a concept of restraint. He believed he was in control, and he was too confident in that belief. (Side note: I despise the troupe of super powers being a stand-in for being queer (or any minority of any kind, for that matter)).

Fulgrim never said "fuck it, I'll have fun". His fall to Slaanesh was driven by his belief that, after killing Ferrus Manus, he was irredeemable. He's an addict; he isn't trying to have fun, he's trying to forget reality.

Everybody agrees that Big E mishandled Lorgar, and that's the most favorable interpretation for him. His argument on why he isn't a god is literal abuser language ("If I was a god, I'd use my psychic powers to force you all to kneel before me, like this" before using his psychic powers to force all of the Word Bearers to kneel before him). And all this ignores the shit Kor Phaeron did to him.

Horus is the spoiled rich white boy of the primarchs. He didn't fall because he was lost because dad was doing everything for him beforehand, he fell because he saw a vision of the future where he wasn't given the credit he thought he deserved. And then, like anybody else who grew up being told the world would be at their feet, he lost it. There's other issues as well, such as taxes (Terra wanted to impose heavy tithes on newly conquered worlds, which Horus opposed because it would cause them to rebel), but "gee, maybe I'm not ready" was never an issue.

Alpharius and Omegon believed that they knew the Emperor's plans better than he did, and threw in their lot with the traitors because they thought that if the traitors won, it would mean the end for Chaos.

Perturabo is someone who chose to suffer in silence and hope things would magically change. He never complains, and then is shocked when things don't go his way. I'm fairly sure he's also the primarch that people find the most relatable.

Konrad Curze was certainly mentally ill, and he was certainly denied the help and support that he needed, but I don't think he was abused because of it. He's also the kind of person who thought that if you publicly lynched enough jaywalkers, crime would go down, and that the Emperor sending an assassin to kill him because he committed treason and genocide was vindication for his belief that any crime warrants being skinned alive as a punishment.

They may not be irredeemable, but their hands are fare from clean.

I love how much of warhammer 40k is clearly a bunch of white dudes sitting around, thinking up the worst shit imaginable and going "thank god that could never happen to me, the cishet white guy"

angron is a one for one depiction of slavery, yet is painted as the bad guy for wanting to stand against oppression

mortarion is disabled and constantly has his decisions taken away from him by able bodied people only to be seen as moody and uncooperative

magnus is gay or trans or both. literally a guy blamed for something he was born with that he cannot control and told you're bad if you explore this part of yourself. also you're illegal now

fulgrim was actively encouraged to pursue perfection, despite never being good enough for others. he pushed any personal pleasure aside for an uncaring crusade and then is demonized for saying "fuck it, I'll have fun"

lorgar. also known as "this is why you don't abuse your kids"

horus is the golden child who's sent out into the world by himself only to find out Gee, Maybe I'm Not Ready because good ol dad did everything for him then told him "figure it out lol"

alpharius omegon are the autistic kids who don't understand why pops is doing this, maybe we should do things a little different than "blood soaked crusade"

perturabo is the burnout middle kid who did everything to impress his father only to be told "that's what's expected of you" who then got mad since acting out was the only way he got attention

konrad curze has a mental disorder. and is abused because of it

all of these characters were so close to being some of the best representation for minorities we could get in media only for gw to eat shit right at the finish line because they can't commit to an actual story. and it's amazing just how little these writers understand that the things they depict are all real things that people suffer through every day, and are demonized for every single day, especially when we are told these characters are irredeemable and should be destroyed, no questions asked

Objectively speaking, if reading it made your afternoon more enjoyable, it's good by at least one metric.

Objectively speaking, the fanfic I’m reading is not good, but my goodness, it’s made my afternoon that much more enjoyable

I mean, the really big war mechs have come in pretty handy, so...

i read on the wiki that the tau ethereals oversee the earth caste so that they actually invent useful stuff and this was the first thing that came to mind

In Messages For Dad, Vulkan has a son named Janan. Janan inherits two good things from his father: his mind and his immortality. He was also born incredibly prematurely (twenty-three weeks), and highly mutated due to the primarch DNA, needing to be constantly on painkillers that would kill a normal child his size. He has "entangled organs ingrown with bones", and a lot of other things. His regeneration also means that any surgery done to treat his condition doesn't work, since he just grows back.

He eventually decides to inter himself in a specially-designed dreadnought (which he designed himself), using fulgrite to halt his regeneration so the dreadnought can slowly disentangle his organs and rework his body so he's not in constant pain--all over the course of about ten thousand years. All this was stuff he came up with himself, too--he *definitely* inherited his father's brain.

Do you know who posted the suggestion about a Primarch- kid instead of being strong and like their fathers ending up horribly ill and fragile because the Primarchs do have kind of fucked DNA?

Because that gave me so many brainworms fr fr, just have been thinking for weeks of giving Bobby G a small spitfire of a kid that kicks ass despite the cards stacked against them and making their dad most likely turn prematurely grey with worry

The one that comes to mind is Callahan from @jaghatai-khock. He has some allergy and would get sick when around Lion.

I know there was someone discussing how screwed up primaech DNA would be when mixed with baselines, but I can not recall who.

Anyone else know?

As much as I do go on about how the Emperor's Children are a bunch of femboys, there is far more to them than that.

People tend to forget (in part due to how Slaanesh has been reduced to a sex addict) that the reason they fell in the first place was their obsession with being the best of the best. All the illicit experimentation began with that goal in mind.

They (and Fulgrim) wanted to be the best, and that blinded them to how good they actually were.

I swear, if I hear *one more person* simplify fulgrim to just "yassss queen slay" I am going to break something. He's such an interesting, tragic and relatable character and I wish people didn't simplify him to "haha pretty boy".

Just printed a mini in resin for the first time in several months (since any resin printing I do is through my college).

Just gotta keep telling myself it's worth it for the final product.

The working conditions aren't great, but they throw morale-boosting pizza parties every month.

I think it's funny how in Warhammer, Nurgle's domain is just so much less appealing than the other three Chaos Gods, so to compensate they just made it canon that Nurgle is a cool boss. Like yes, he will give you turbo syphilis, but he's the kind of god you could have a beer with. In the Warhammer universe, people fall to darkness because they become overwhelmed by violence, become incredibly horny, desire terrible arcane knowledge, or because they didn't get a raise even though they've been going above and beyond at work this year.

I mean, my read of Guilty Gear (which mainly comes from the wiki) is that Bridget is basically Cis+ (or an AFAB transfem). She reads as the second scenario to me.

It was kind of brought on by discussions of Bridget, and it's kind of supposed to be bringing problematic thoughts to mind. The "boy forced to live as a girl" troupe is kind of common with femboy characters, and it sparks a lot of argument, which tends to reduce people to their genitals.

Thought Experiment: Gender is complicated

Take a baby with one gendered set of genitalia (ISO standard male or ISO standard female, either one works), and raise them as the opposite gender. (e.g. raise the ISO standard male as a girl or the ISO standard female as a boy)

If they grow up and never question the gender you assigned them (they may question why they are different from other kids, but won't think about if they are the other gender any more than an average cis person would), are they trans?

If they grow up, wonder for a time if they are the opposite gender, but ultimately conclude that the gender you raised them as is correct, are they trans?

If they grow up, wonder for the time if they are the opposite gender, and ultimately conclude that they are the other gender, are they trans?

I'm not writing this with an intended "correct answer" in mind; I'm not entirely sure myself. Being cis (and not raised as a different gender like the person in the thought experiment), I'm not sure if I'm the right person to give the correct answer. I just want to share something I've been thinking about.

I think I know what my answer is, but I'm not going to claim it's the single correct answer.

Memes about my homebrew chapter

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