NICE!!!! HELLO CYPHER!!!

As a plural [questioning origin] who is new to the plural and system community in general, I wanna point out that from what we've seen being a system/plural is not really the whole thing with DID and other dissociative disorder like that, it's the trauma and being a system is more of an "add-on" (sorry for phrasing it like that).

So people saying they are PLURAL or a SYSTEM or whatever other word they prefer to use without trauma is not misdiagnosing themselves cause they aren't claiming to have DID or OSDD or other trauma based dissociative disorders without trauma. They are just saying that they have a similar thing to people with those disorders (I hope we are explaining this correctly).

So why are anti endos so obsessed with trying to call them fake or saying that they are doing that? If you just listen to them, you would learn more, and isn't that better? Don't traumagenic systems/plurals want to be listened to instead of being thought of badly from misinformation and bad representation and shit? So why aren't they doing that for endos?

I wouldn't usually jump into "discourse" or anything, but we felt like this needed to be said and understood. If you don't like this post, leave my account, go ahead, and block me. It will save everyone a ton of time.

- Lakey (They/it + blu/blue/blues/blues/blueself) & Shay (They/it) | almost always here as the host, lol

I think a big part of the reason that I went from anti-endo to endo-safe was absolutely due to how starkly different the communities felt.

Anti-endo communities were hard to engage with. Sure, some of them would focus on their support for each other more than their hatred of endogenic systems. And that's great! However, when you are brought together by your dislike of a certain group, you can't help but feel the hate permiate into so much of it. It always happened eventually. Anti-endo communities had such a focus on systems who were "fake" that I couldn't help but worry I was one of them, no matter how much they told me it was "just endos" they were concerned about.

The endo community (at least the parts I've engaged with and were easy to find) were so kind and respected me as a system, no matter how I felt or my plurality presented. Simply knowing we could find joy in our plurality allowed us to strive for so much more than we had thought possible before.

As a traumagenic system, we've improved so much with our symptoms and communication as a result of the positivity and acceptance we recieved. When we joined communities where we could be authenticallly ourselves (no matter what), we came together and faced so much less conflict between each other. And the conficts we did have, we realized that we could solve them together rather than alone.

When you are constantly doubting if you are "actually a system", you start to push the others away, and that made our dissociation and amnesia so much worse. I understand being careful of self-misdiangnosis, it can put you on the wrong path for how you learn to manage your symptoms. At the same time, the sentiment I often heard from endogenic systems when I was struggling with doubt and denial was very simple: "So what if you're not a system?" In short, it was okay to be wrong.

And that was huge for me. I realized that, no matter if I was a system or not, the techniques I used to improve ourselves and communicate with one another beneficial to me. At the end of the day, even if I wasn't a system after all, the skills I had found we invaluble to my health and well-being. So when I fall into denial spirals, no matter what I think about myself, I now know that I don't need to deprive myself of what has helped me, even if it is a "system thing." I don't feel scared to use these skills anymore (even in denial spirals), beacuse the line between what systems and non-systems or singlets can/can't do suddenly wasn't a big deal or a battle of "who can do what."

Our plurality is no longer a burden or a scar to us. It is simply who we are. We've learned so much about each other and ourselves since we've been accepted in full, and since we've learned to accept others. Endogenic communities have helped us (a traumagenic system) probably more than they'll ever know, and we're forever grateful for that.

So thank you, endogenic systems.

Well, in this current body/life, we don't have an SD [service dog] yet (we need to work on getting one).

But from some of our past lifes, we loved having our service dogs help with grabbing things that we had issues getting.

- Shay 🐾

What is your in-depth opinion of fire?

Depends on who is being asked.

There's Den and Moonfire who love fire, lol!

Most of the rest of us mostly just like looking at fire but not being too close, lol.

Not sure what else to say here.

- Shay 🐾

What’s it like when an alter has planned something in the back? Do you just get a fully formed plan popping into your head, or do they talk you through it? Do you just switch?

Hello!!!

Considering I am, as far as we can tell so far, always fronting in some way (sometimes I am just technically "lower" fronting but still fronting). The switch part isn't really true.

It's probably a mixture of the other 2 things, though. Also, sometimes they join front or take over the "main"/primary fronting, and I go into "lower" fronting, but that's not as common.

Usually, when the others join me in front, it's as a secondary (tertiary, etc) fronter rather than the primary fronter.

Hope this answered your question!

- Shay 🐾

Picked nuance because of multiple reasons.

Firstly, we don't really use system for us [we use plural or pack mostly, lol].

Secondly, a lot of our sources (I am also gonna include my kins in this because yes) may seem "human" at first glance, but none of us have ever been human.

We all are nonhumans.

- Shay 🐾 | The host of the Wildlife Pack [which we commonly will just refer to as the Wild Pack]

survey!!

*if you have multiple fictives in your system answer for either whoever is fronting or whoever wants to answer

*if your source doesn't neatly fit into the nonhuman and human binary pick either what's closest or pick nuance

alterhuman = anyone who identifies as/is not entirely human, whether in full or in part

feel free to share your sources & identities in the replies/tags!!

Thanks!

We do have windows, we think it's not 11, but yeah it shouldn't be that different. And yes we use the official launcher.

Though we wanna quickly say that we use Minecraft Bedrock in case that makes a difference.

Also we will check if this works later!

- Shay 🐾

We just had an idea but we don't know how to go about it.

We would love to do commissions for Minecraft. But we don't know how we would give the commissions except for pictures and stuff but we would love to actually give the world(s) for the commissions but don't know how to do that. If any being knows how to do that, please let us know.

- Shay 🐾

Trick or treat!!!

Hello!!! Happy Halloween!!!

I don't know if this is supposed to be a normal trick or treating ask or an alterhuman trick or treating ask, so I'm just gonna go with the alterhuman one, lol.

Have a picture of some cat treats because of me being a cat!!

- Shay (They/it) :3c

Tw/cw: anger, violence, slight death (murder?) mention, slight animal abuse mention (comparing ourselves to one), and if there are any others, please let us know.

Being angry sucks sometimes cause we can also get very aggressive (even if it's only in our mind), and it sucks.

Like, we don't really like getting so angry that we think about biting or scratching or even killing someone. But this is how our brain works sometimes.

Especially when it's "not that serious" or whatever. Like something "small" can also cause anger like this. We really are pretty similar to a cornered abused creature when we get angry at times.

- Shay 🐾

We'd like to try and do it today (let's say like 11:00/23:00, it's 6:20/18:20 rn) but technically it just needs to be done by Friday morning.

It's not too messy, mostly just some trash and making our desk a bit more clean and just that kind of shit. (It's the room we stay in, it's not technically our bedroom but we are in it more often than not and we sleep in it, lol).

- Shay 🐾

We need to clean a room, do any beings have any tips? (We need tips that keep in mind that our issues are mainly from AuDHD and chronic pain rn).

- Shay 🐾

Send us asks about our packmates!

(All of our kins and fictives are ocs so far)

List of all known/named packmates;

ShaySubpack (asked for overall or individually); Zuki, Cyan, and Akay 🐾🪶🩵🖌 (emojis are in order)

Declan 😺

Lakey 🌊

Lynix 🐈‍⬛

Shirley 🦮

Den 🐲

Mystery ❔️

Phalen x2(?) 🌕

Onyx 🐺

Arden ⛏️

Moonfire 🌙🔥

Nile 🦇

Okami 🌖

Vesper 🌠

Mani(?) Another subpack 🌹

You can put names and/or emojis [we'd prefer at least names] for who you are asking about (hopefully every being will answer their own questions, lol). Just ask a question and put who you're asking about!

Edit: Also if you don't have specific questions, you can just put who you're asking about and who ever it is will just probably ramble a bit, lol.

- Shay 🐾

Absolutely!!!

We actually growl a lot, not always on purpose, it's just instinct!

- Shay (They/it)

Wish growling/hissing was a more socially acceptable form of communication. Like, it's so effective: you hear a growl, you back off cuz you know you'll get bit otherwise.