Yeah, Let's Start Normalizing This!! [Other Nonhumans Or Alterhumans Feel Free To Add Onto This!]

As a plural [questioning origin] who is new to the plural and system community in general, I wanna point out that from what we've seen being a system/plural is not really the whole thing with DID and other dissociative disorder like that, it's the trauma and being a system is more of an "add-on" (sorry for phrasing it like that).

So people saying they are PLURAL or a SYSTEM or whatever other word they prefer to use without trauma is not misdiagnosing themselves cause they aren't claiming to have DID or OSDD or other trauma based dissociative disorders without trauma. They are just saying that they have a similar thing to people with those disorders (I hope we are explaining this correctly).

So why are anti endos so obsessed with trying to call them fake or saying that they are doing that? If you just listen to them, you would learn more, and isn't that better? Don't traumagenic systems/plurals want to be listened to instead of being thought of badly from misinformation and bad representation and shit? So why aren't they doing that for endos?

I wouldn't usually jump into "discourse" or anything, but we felt like this needed to be said and understood. If you don't like this post, leave my account, go ahead, and block me. It will save everyone a ton of time.

- Lakey (They/it + blu/blue/blues/blues/blueself) & Shay (They/it) | almost always here as the host, lol

I think a big part of the reason that I went from anti-endo to endo-safe was absolutely due to how starkly different the communities felt.

Anti-endo communities were hard to engage with. Sure, some of them would focus on their support for each other more than their hatred of endogenic systems. And that's great! However, when you are brought together by your dislike of a certain group, you can't help but feel the hate permiate into so much of it. It always happened eventually. Anti-endo communities had such a focus on systems who were "fake" that I couldn't help but worry I was one of them, no matter how much they told me it was "just endos" they were concerned about.

The endo community (at least the parts I've engaged with and were easy to find) were so kind and respected me as a system, no matter how I felt or my plurality presented. Simply knowing we could find joy in our plurality allowed us to strive for so much more than we had thought possible before.

As a traumagenic system, we've improved so much with our symptoms and communication as a result of the positivity and acceptance we recieved. When we joined communities where we could be authenticallly ourselves (no matter what), we came together and faced so much less conflict between each other. And the conficts we did have, we realized that we could solve them together rather than alone.

When you are constantly doubting if you are "actually a system", you start to push the others away, and that made our dissociation and amnesia so much worse. I understand being careful of self-misdiangnosis, it can put you on the wrong path for how you learn to manage your symptoms. At the same time, the sentiment I often heard from endogenic systems when I was struggling with doubt and denial was very simple: "So what if you're not a system?" In short, it was okay to be wrong.

And that was huge for me. I realized that, no matter if I was a system or not, the techniques I used to improve ourselves and communicate with one another beneficial to me. At the end of the day, even if I wasn't a system after all, the skills I had found we invaluble to my health and well-being. So when I fall into denial spirals, no matter what I think about myself, I now know that I don't need to deprive myself of what has helped me, even if it is a "system thing." I don't feel scared to use these skills anymore (even in denial spirals), beacuse the line between what systems and non-systems or singlets can/can't do suddenly wasn't a big deal or a battle of "who can do what."

Our plurality is no longer a burden or a scar to us. It is simply who we are. We've learned so much about each other and ourselves since we've been accepted in full, and since we've learned to accept others. Endogenic communities have helped us (a traumagenic system) probably more than they'll ever know, and we're forever grateful for that.

So thank you, endogenic systems.

Genderqueer, trans masc enby (nonbinary), and novigender are all ones that we tend to use for all of us.

Novigender means a gender experience too hard to read/process/understand or too complex to pin down to one word.

- Shay

random poll time! i was curious about the gender distribution of the alterhuman community so i made this. please only answer if you are otherkin, therian, fictionkin, otherhearted, holothere, archetrope, plural, or any other label under the umbrella

(im very sorry about the lack of options, i hit the maximum which is 12. again, if you are not alterhuman please refrain from voting on the poll. thank you :])

This is (mostly) true.

But also it can be gear. [Also, a reminder, technically, anything can be considered "gear".]

Like we find certain gear to be very species affirming/euphoric, and that doesn't make us any less nonhuman.

Species transition is very personal in a way, just as gender transition is. It's never gonna be a "one size fits all" kinda thing, and that's ok.

Transition how you want to. If that's just gear, that's great! If that's not any "gear," that's great! If it's a mix, that's great! It's your transition. Do what you want (as long as no one gets hurt, please).

- Shay 🐾

just to clarify species transition =/= buy a bunch of stuff off etsy or amazon.

Hihi!! Love the blogs new look, and congrats on the plural awakening ^^ for a question- what do you like/dislike about canon? Also, what were some major differences between canon and your universe?

I'm guessing this is to do with MHA/BNHA.

Also, thanks!

So, about the question. One major difference is that UA was a college, not a high school. Another major difference would be that there was no actual war.

About the liking/disliking for canon. I guess the main thing I dislike is how many of the people I care about got extremely hurt or even died in canon and just the fact that it's so different from my universe. As for liking, well I do quite like to see some of the friendships with Class 1A (although I wish there was more).

Also, I haven't watched the anime or read the manga fully, so there could be things missing from any of the parts of the question(s).

- Zuki 🪶 | MHA/BNHA kin of Shay 🐾

[TW: Death and shit that comes with that, idk maybe more? If you find any more things that should be in this trigger warning pls tell me.]

Also, shit is happening in my life rn. I recently [on September 11th] lost my cousin, she died and we aren't sure how exactly yet. So, yeah. Death is fucking weird and I don't think I process it normally (AuDHD). So I may end up not posting for a while or might end up posting like every day.

Just sharing so ya'll know what's going on if I disappear for a while [even though I would likely do that even without this shit happening].

We aren't sure when the funeral thing is happening yet, I slightly hope it's soon so I can see my family, I don't live by that side of the family, sadly. Probably gonna end up missing like a day of college, but whatever, my family [my pack] is more important to me.

My cousin left behind a son. He is a kid. He's younger than I was when my mom in this life died. [I was like 16 when that happened, and I won't be sharing how old my 2nd cousin is]. So I really wanna see that side of my family, so I can try and be there for him. He's gonna need people there for him, and if I could without getting in trouble, I would drop out of college rn to be around him while he is going through this. (Protective wolf/dog instincts?)

There's just a lot of shit going on rn with my life, I wish it would stop for a bit.

- Zuki Shay Lupo (They/xe/ze) :((

[We is referring to my family, btw]

What is meant by "lower" fronting is not the main/primary fronter. Basically, more of a "backseat driver" type of fronting in a way. We just didn't know what to really call it at first.

No real clue on the planning things in the back often.

Maybe? We aren't entirely sure how exactly memory and stuff works with our plurality.

- Shay 🐾

What’s it like when an alter has planned something in the back? Do you just get a fully formed plan popping into your head, or do they talk you through it? Do you just switch?

Hello!!!

Considering I am, as far as we can tell so far, always fronting in some way (sometimes I am just technically "lower" fronting but still fronting). The switch part isn't really true.

It's probably a mixture of the other 2 things, though. Also, sometimes they join front or take over the "main"/primary fronting, and I go into "lower" fronting, but that's not as common.

Usually, when the others join me in front, it's as a secondary (tertiary, etc) fronter rather than the primary fronter.

Hope this answered your question!

- Shay 🐾

We are being overwhelmed by a bunch of movie choices to watch while we try and either sleep or continue doing random stuff on our phone. Help.

Gonna do a poll so anyone who sees our post rn can help us decide on a movie to watch [our brain may end up actually choosing a different movie than the poll actually ends up as, cause of our stupid PDA (Pathological demand avoidance) and stuff]

Also, for the "Other" option, please have the movies be kid friendly as we [Shay subpack] might be slightly regressed rn.

Apparently, the poll has to last for either a day or a week, but it will actually last for like 1 hour or so for us.

Edit done at 01:20 AM where we are: We have decided to watch/have on Scooby-Doo Camp Scare, so we are actually listening to the poll, saying that last bit almost makes us not want to, but we will.

- Shay 🐾

Can any being(s) explain exactly what each "level" of support needs mean? (High, medium, and low are the ones we have seen/heard)

Cause we literally aren't sure what we count under.

Like it almost seems like we are low-medium support needs or high-low support needs (like on the lower side of medium or higher side of low).

Does this make any sense?

- Shay 🐾

We are gonna just call us (Shay & "kins") a subpack. If we end up being technically "wrong" with that term, then oh well.

- Shay 🐾

We have a question for plural beings.

How do you know if you are a subsystem/part of a subsystem?

We are now kinda questioning if "me" (Shay and "my" kins) are technically a subpack (we use pack instead of system).

We/I get uncomfortable at times saying I/me/my/etc when it should fit (example; my wings) and would much rather say we/us/our/etc at those times. But then there are also times when we/I seem to have no real problem with I/me/my/etc.

Even if we figure out that we are a subpack in our pack, we would still probably just refer to the "kins" as just that cause fictive feels weird for them?

Honestly, we are just pretty confused, lol.

Like "my kins" feel like "me" more than my/our other packmates, but idk.

- Shay 🐾

Sorry, we haven't been posting lately. Our motivation and energy have been a bit worse lately.

Hopefully we will be starting to post more soon.

We will definitely be posting more about service dog stuff for us when we actually start the process of getting a service dog. We will probably have donation stuff for us when this happens cause we don't have too much money, lol. We have been trying to work on getting disability income (we always forget what it's actually called, lol) as we can't work but we have heard that it usually takes quite a while before beings actually get it. And the body's dad is disabled and a retired veteran so not too much money there either. And the body's brother doesn't work (and also might not be able to).

Anyway, all of this is to say that we will hopefully be posting again soon and that we might be asking for donations once we properly work on getting a service dog, lol.

- Shay 🐾