Yanattheloom - Untitled

if you still fucking talk about "transfems are more visible than transmascs and that's unfair and means transmascs have it worse" just think for one second about what kind of visibility transfems are getting and shut the fuck up maybe

Something I would add about Michfest : In the 90s, there was a scandal involving a trans man there (Tony Baretto-Neto). He had phallo and simply took a shower there, but then the staff confronted him because people started saying there were multiple "men" / "transsexuals" / male invaders walking around exposing their erect penises in front of women, and blamed him.

It caused a lot of controversy and he literally ended up having to make a public written statement about it to debunk these claims, saying he was just 1 guy taking a shower (he even said that due to the nature of his penis, the thing about him harassing women with his erection was literally not physically possible, people were just making shit up to paint him as predatory). He explained what really happened : he had told the women around that he was gonna shower and explained his situation, they all said they were fine with it, some shower malfunction happened and some women who helped him with it therefore saw him naked. (He also said that he went to the festival as a trans man because he'd been a lesbian activist since the 60s and had fought in these spaces for decades, even having played in a band in similar festivals in the past).

He had explained all that to the staff and, despite them fully knowing he was AFAB, they didn't care. They didn't want it to be a place ~ for AFABs ~, they wanted a place without any people AMAB or penises, and decided their policy also included people AFAB with penises after this "incident". (Also this story has been largely misrepresented and said to be about a trans woman's penis in the showers, but yeah, the real story behind this was actually about a trans man.)

It's not even a rare occurrence, it's actually pretty common for things "for AFABs" or "AFAB-only" to reject/ban trans men who are deemed "too much like cis men" (or mysteriously find a reason that makes them "not a good fit"). I guarantee you that most shit like "AFAB-only housing" or whatever would also reject trans men with penises. Pretty much every space or thing "for AFABs" will have some secret threshold for trans men, where if you have certain features you will be seen as "too much like a cis man" and not allowed to join because it "makes the others uncomfortable". They won't dare to admit it out loud if they market themselves as open to trans people AFAB, and the exact criteria varies from group to group (it can be as little as "vibes" and not even medical transition related). But "having a penis" will pretty much unanimously be seen as crossing that line and get you rejected.

It's just really frustrating to see some people take them at their word when some group says "we are open to anyone AFAB" and then react like "see ? TME privilege once again, they only exclude trans women !!!!" and act like all trans people AFAB are included in that when there's always, and I cannot state this enough, *ALWAYS* a cutoff point for transmascs in these things, over which they're seen as predatory, invading, untrustworthy, violent, dangerous, and are excluded (and its not necessarily for being mistaken for transfem, it's very deliberate) no matter how "welcome for being AFAB" they are on paper. The entire spectrum of transmasculinity is never welcome in these spaces. It's always a lie.

TRFs love taking other radfems at their word except when those radfems say they really do see trans women as men, then it's all "why do you believe TERFs?" and shit.

Thank you for writing this up. <3

Figured ppl on here would want to know Silas (sweatermuppet) doesn't support any usage of terms to describe the system of oppression against trans mascs

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Hey since theres some stuff about transandrophobia theory going on anyway:

Does anyone have any specifically transandrophobia book recs?

I already got my hands on Leslie Feinbergs "stone butch blues" but since i have never been a lesbian and am into men its not exactly want im looking for yk; bell hooks "men, masculinity and love" seems to not include discussions about trans men at all and s. bear bergman "butch is a noun" as far as i could tell would still be based on trans men/mascs with connections to lesbianism (which i still dont have)

I lucky own a copy of thomas page mcbees "man alive" and cooper lee bombardiers "handle with care" but i cant find anything else besides eyeing lou sullivans dairys (again non of these books are theory, theyre all memoiren)

My local queer-feminist book store only had biographies (no novels, theory or other genres) featuring trans men when i first asked and they only brached out bc i specifically asked (which is imo embarrasing for them but whatever) and even they dont seem to find theory about transandrophobia easily

Any help/ideas on where to look?

saw someone in the tags talking about being a "transmasc isolationist" in response to transandrophobia-

no! not that! the response to exclusionary ideologies shouldn't be more exclusion! that's how we got here in the first place!

am i real?

post by : @playingonmydsi <3