This Is A False Equivalency.

i do feel like TMA and TME can be useful terms in specific conversations but the way people treat them like a binary and as basically the progressive versions of AMAB and AFAB makes me have a knee-jerk reaction whenever i see them used and it makes me have to ask "is this person fucking weird about transmascs" and a lot of the time, they are, which is unfortunate because like i said i feel like they could be useful terms in certain discussions

You people are genuinely so exhausting.

I don't make many original posts here or additions mostly BC I'm a fuckass adult with a lot of shit to juggle but genuinely the state of shit is so sad. Just like the fucking everything. Environment shit political shit war shit everything feels like it's burning and we're still doing fucking queer discourse.

record set for me having 3 mutuals who love transmission towers & pylons. next i will be shooting for mutuals interested in spring making machines

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I don't make many original posts here or additions mostly BC I'm a fuckass adult with a lot of shit to juggle but genuinely the state of shit is so sad. Just like the fucking everything. Environment shit political shit war shit everything feels like it's burning and we're still doing fucking queer discourse.

I will say as someone who previously followed genderqueerdykes before shit was brought to my attention like a week ago, I think a lot of people don't know and it's important to like, kindly inform these people of what's going on with actual examples of shit someone has said/done, especially given how rampant baseless accusations towards trans folks of all flavours are. Because some of us may not be following them super closely (as was my case), or may not have been doing so for a super long time, or maybe even are so wrapped up in their own hurt that they need someone else to tell them to take a step back and think.

When I first saw accusations towards genderqueerdykes, it was being misgendered on anon in a very hostile tone and no evidence of any claims was provided, so I immediately went on the defensive and figured it was someone acting in bad faith. When someone else actually responded and provided shit, I was like, shit, this is, uh, horrifically transmisogynyistic, and I'm glad it was brought to my attention, I will be blocking it.

So I think it's best to approach these people, if you feel safe doing so, and provide an explanation + evidence. Some of us are just fr out of the loop.

I feel like there's a decently large group of people in trans discourse who, in my mind, if you still engage with is a little suspicious.

Obviously I know that most people don't always know whats going on, and callouts as a whole suck, you can't possibly know always when someone's a raging transandrophobe or transmisogynist or general bigot. So BOD is important.

But with a few names I feel like it should kind of become public knowledge. People like genderqueerdykes or thicced-witch kind of people.

Like obviously there's nothing wrong with not knowing something.

I'm just saying. Like, don't most people know atp?

Idk but the idea that trans men commonly enter terf spaces on purpose & then get detransed & indoctrinated into terfism seems way less believable to me than that spaces for cis people will inevitably have some ppl realize they're trans & if the space in question is a radical feminist one, they will be targeted with some absolutely devastatingly horrific abuse that will keep them in the closet & cause them serious harm, & radical feminism like any hateful ideology is very attractive to wounded, traumatized people.

Ever growing collection demonstrating that TME is frequently used to be synonymous with "transmasc" or "afab trans people" rather than all people who are supposedly TME.

As a trans woman and transfeminsit I'll try and explain this real simple for the people who need an ELI5, like the above OOP.

"TRF" is not even a pejorative just because people don't like the people they're calling that. It is an entirely straight-forward, factual description of a set of political beliefs taken from the title of a book that sells itself as reclaiming radical feminism, which all of the people called TRFs read and recommend to each other on a regular basis. Saying it's a pejorative and that TRFs don't exist just because they don't put it in their bio is completely ridiculous. They have absolutely zero problem identifying with the term and if I hadn't popularized it among people who are opposed to the ideology, I really don't doubt they would all have it in their bio.

The much more logical comparison would be transandrobro/dork. It's interesting it didn't bring that up, because that'd destroy it's whole fucking argument on it's own. That is an obviously hateful and insulting name for a group of people talking about their oppression. Yet even if we disagree on which group is legitimate and which isn't, you can still see that between the two one is meant to be demeaning and one is just the title of the fucking book they fuck the pages of. They do not actually have any problem with the comparison to radfems. If they thought TRF was insulting enough to be compared to any other derogatory word, then why was the book titled that? Why do they keep sharing around how brilliant it is? I need someone to explain it to me. What is offensive about TRF, and how can we reconcile that with the fact that you haven't all thrown the book called that all about reclaiming radical feminism onto a fire?

Now, 'Th**fab' on the other hand, first of all, was invented by cis men on 4chan with the intent to mock non-binary people. The only possible way to say it's not a slur is to deny this factual reality, but even if you did want to argue it was transfeminists who invented it, it'd still be a slur because it's essentially misgendering trans people in a way that this person specifically has complained about as being the worst most misgendering thing ever. I remember, because this silly twit tried using me to make the point.

If anything, it should be even more of a slur by it's standards, surely?

But here we also have laid bare the myth that non-binary people who are called that consciously choose to "cling to their AGAB." The definition of that isn't, as you might have thought, a non-binary person who "identifies" as AFAB, or lords it over trans women.

It's anyone who uses AGAB language at all. It's anyone who doesn't see the trans community solely in terms of TMA/TME. That's what makes you a fucking th**fab.

Plus, you know, th**fab is simply used as a slur. Just the other day I was talking about an extremely popular transfem Tumblr user who has been calling completely random trans men c**tboys for years and this January said that she's not so bitter and resentful as to be a trans woman who uses th**fab, but understands the complicated reasons why th**fab gets used. Which is just fucking bullshit, because less than a year before they used it to just casually call everyone but trans women to ugly to be sexually desired negatively. So that was just a massive fucking lie. Now that it's hot discourse again some TRFs are trying to play it like it's just an unfortunate reality of transmisogyny even though that doesn't match up how they themselves have used it in the past. It is a deliberate effort at lying to people.

I mean, in what world does those two screencaps - "I wouldn't ever use it but I understand the pressures that lead to it :/" vs. "lol th**fabs are unfuckable so who cares about their sexual objectification" - not prove that? That should have been the final word on the subject!

And speaking of how it's always been used, just to be thorough, I'll come back to my first point to help educate this crowd on the single biggest and most obvious reason it's a fucking slur and TRF isn't.

You're welcome, radfems. Stay after class, because I want to talk to you about your abhorrent behavior.