Maybe I'm Just Projecting, But The Emperor's Children Really Read As People Who Were Told, All Their

Superiority complex?

No, it's actually quite simple.

Also here is this as my final contribution to fandom for today.

Reblogging because my response has become too long to put in the replies:

I don't think many people view the traitor primarchs as irredeemable, and I think the number among people who are well-versed in Horus Heresy lore is even smaller. They are, from the beginning, tragic characters. They certainly have their damning characteristics (namely hypocrisy), but they aren't really presented as irredeemable--we even have explicit statements regarding redemption for two of them (Big E says Mortarion can be redeemed in Godblight, and he outright forgives Horus in The End and the Death Vol III). I don't entirely agree with your interpretations, however. I don't think any of them are irredeemable (at least, not due to their own actions), but I think they miss some key details.

For all Angron claimed to be standing against oppression, he spent over a century expanding the Emperor's (extremely oppressive) regime. There's no moral purity shit here, either--Angron is pretty open about how he hates serving the Emperor even as he reduces worlds to ash in his name. What you said about Mortarion also applies to Angron, because of the Butcher's Nails. He was denied the chance to die with his family on Nuceria, and for the remainder of his life before daemonhood, the one thing he wants to do is die. And then Lorgar takes that away from him.

Mortarion's fall is because, first and foremost, he cared about his sons. Typhus brought the legion to Nurgle's garden, and infected them with the Destroyer Plague. Mortarion fell to Nurgle because he wanted to end their pain. Mortion is also a hypocrite. Like Angron, for all his claims of hating tyranny, he still expanded a tyrant's domain for a century and a half. (Corvus Corax is also on this list, but this is about traitor primarchs, not loyalist)

Magnus' guilt is very hotly debated among the community, and both sides have a point. On the one hand, he did the best thing he could with the information he had available. On the other hand, he was incredibly cocky, and did not have a concept of restraint. He believed he was in control, and he was too confident in that belief. (Side note: I despise the troupe of super powers being a stand-in for being queer (or any minority of any kind, for that matter)).

Fulgrim never said "fuck it, I'll have fun". His fall to Slaanesh was driven by his belief that, after killing Ferrus Manus, he was irredeemable. He's an addict; he isn't trying to have fun, he's trying to forget reality.

Everybody agrees that Big E mishandled Lorgar, and that's the most favorable interpretation for him. His argument on why he isn't a god is literal abuser language ("If I was a god, I'd use my psychic powers to force you all to kneel before me, like this" before using his psychic powers to force all of the Word Bearers to kneel before him). And all this ignores the shit Kor Phaeron did to him.

Horus is the spoiled rich white boy of the primarchs. He didn't fall because he was lost because dad was doing everything for him beforehand, he fell because he saw a vision of the future where he wasn't given the credit he thought he deserved. And then, like anybody else who grew up being told the world would be at their feet, he lost it. There's other issues as well, such as taxes (Terra wanted to impose heavy tithes on newly conquered worlds, which Horus opposed because it would cause them to rebel), but "gee, maybe I'm not ready" was never an issue.

Alpharius and Omegon believed that they knew the Emperor's plans better than he did, and threw in their lot with the traitors because they thought that if the traitors won, it would mean the end for Chaos.

Perturabo is someone who chose to suffer in silence and hope things would magically change. He never complains, and then is shocked when things don't go his way. I'm fairly sure he's also the primarch that people find the most relatable.

Konrad Curze was certainly mentally ill, and he was certainly denied the help and support that he needed, but I don't think he was abused because of it. He's also the kind of person who thought that if you publicly lynched enough jaywalkers, crime would go down, and that the Emperor sending an assassin to kill him because he committed treason and genocide was vindication for his belief that any crime warrants being skinned alive as a punishment.

They may not be irredeemable, but their hands are fare from clean.

I love how much of warhammer 40k is clearly a bunch of white dudes sitting around, thinking up the worst shit imaginable and going "thank god that could never happen to me, the cishet white guy"

angron is a one for one depiction of slavery, yet is painted as the bad guy for wanting to stand against oppression

mortarion is disabled and constantly has his decisions taken away from him by able bodied people only to be seen as moody and uncooperative

magnus is gay or trans or both. literally a guy blamed for something he was born with that he cannot control and told you're bad if you explore this part of yourself. also you're illegal now

fulgrim was actively encouraged to pursue perfection, despite never being good enough for others. he pushed any personal pleasure aside for an uncaring crusade and then is demonized for saying "fuck it, I'll have fun"

lorgar. also known as "this is why you don't abuse your kids"

horus is the golden child who's sent out into the world by himself only to find out Gee, Maybe I'm Not Ready because good ol dad did everything for him then told him "figure it out lol"

alpharius omegon are the autistic kids who don't understand why pops is doing this, maybe we should do things a little different than "blood soaked crusade"

perturabo is the burnout middle kid who did everything to impress his father only to be told "that's what's expected of you" who then got mad since acting out was the only way he got attention

konrad curze has a mental disorder. and is abused because of it

all of these characters were so close to being some of the best representation for minorities we could get in media only for gw to eat shit right at the finish line because they can't commit to an actual story. and it's amazing just how little these writers understand that the things they depict are all real things that people suffer through every day, and are demonized for every single day, especially when we are told these characters are irredeemable and should be destroyed, no questions asked

AO3 has a wonderfully built tag system, in my opinion. If you don't want to see something in a search, you can literally just scroll down and edit the "exclude" tags.

Honestly the tags is one of the biggest reasons why I prefer it over FF.net. You can often get an idea of what's in a story beyond just the summary.

Being a pro censorship ao3 user is so insanely cringe. Either use the (incredibly effective and well designed) filtering system to avoid seeing the shit you don't like or stop complaining. Leave the pro censorship rhetoric to Wattpad or smth

Whispered: volume

Said softly: tone

I know adverbs are controversial, but "said softly" means something different than "whispered" and this is the hill I will die on.

Is Slaanesh American?

Slaanesh throwing a gender reveal party for Fulgrim. Thousands dead, millions injured, Snek is very happy

"It came to me in a dream" is more compelling credentials for a source than having asked ChatGPT.

I read some of the first Horus Heresy books out of order, making it incredibly painful to see the Mournival's interactions, already having read how they would be torn apart.

四狗议会！袭来！

Finally got around to painting the buttons I 3d printed and replacing my coat's old buttons.

We also see the Eldar fighting Emperor's Children on the codex cover that was released.

The unexpected 3rd party will be, of course, Trazyn the Infinite.

Given Fulgrim's absolute OBSESSION with swords and especially those that come with weird gimmics and magics attached to them, how high are the chances that he has the final Eldaer Cronesword in his arsenal? The one supposedly inside Slaanesh's palace and utterly unreachable?

Will this be how the Ynnari will suddenly be relevant again? All because Fulgrim had negative impulse control and also annoyed Slaanesh for 10,000 years to get that one special sword they keep locked away for good reason as it involves their self-preservation?

As we are due for a Drukhari update this edition the story part of it might feature the Ynnari just to dunk on the Emperor's Children after their release (the same way Angron got dunked on in Arks of Omen after he had a chance to wreck shop).

Oh I can see it already: They showed off that new Warp Spiders Phoenix Lord lady - that one will get an story of breaching into the divine palace, and realizing "wait, THE SWORD IS NOT HERE?!" which then coincides with Fulgrim's return to realspace wielding that blade. The Ynnari see it is "all or nothing" now and pull their connections and strings in the Dark City, the Craftworlds, the Harequins, and of course the Ultramarines (this is still GW writing, so Rotate Girlboss is here as well) to just throw a giant force at Fulgrim.

As this is a typical 40k storyline an unexpected 3rd party will obviously gank that fight for their own gain and turn every plan upside down, but up until that point we have a pretty solid framework I'd say.

They're Dark Angels. Being gay is a given.

TIL that there's a canon trans Drukhari Wych Succubus. Like actually stated that she used to be male, but after reaching this rank she transitioned into being a female Drukhari and seems to be totally cool with it.

Slay.