OK, i don't know if i'm the only one who just realized this but, in the part where spot tells Miles how he brought the spider from earth 42, Miles G is seen in class and the spider is really close to him, until was transported.
Miles G was literally MEANT to be Spider-Man in his universe, while Miles was going to be the prowler, and because of spot the roles were basically REVERSED.
Gwen kept the picture of her and Miles with her costume, hidden in her drum set, and I’m just wondering how often she’d stop and look at it before she went out to be Spider-Woman. Like, did it help? Taking comfort in the fact that even if she’s forever misunderstood in her home dimension, there’s one person out there who gets it? All of it?
Did u see the new spiderverse artwork cuz I sure did knfiejge
Something that really bothers me is that there are people who, to defend Gwen i guess, exaggerate or even lie with super ugly things that have nothing to do with what we are talking about. Lately I've read every crazy thing that makes me say: Bro, tf you talking about, you're already going a bit too far, this is not a saga for adults, this is not Deadpool, or Peacemaker, or Joker, etc, it doesn't make sense saying unlikeable things that are false about Gwen's story, seriously, we have to take care in what we write, and what we publish.
She literally said: “H E. I S. M I N E.”
He, without having a choice, had to do in two days, what took all the other Spider-Sonas in the multiverse weeks, become Spider-Man, all under the unimaginable pressure of being the successor to the previous Spider-Man of his universe, which left the bar too high, having to meet everyone else's expectations, and having to go through a tortuous journey while learning from his mentor.
Even when the spider-gang not only didn't trust him but even seemed to dislike Miles at first (Except, of course, Gwen and Peter B, who are very special cases)
And pressing him to see if he was ready and treating him like just a kid (Even Peni).
All so that he then went to his uncle, who was like a second father to him and someone who truly understood Miles, only to find out that he had always been a hitman, going so far as to almost end with the life of his nephew, until he realizes what he was about to do and... well, tragedy happens.
The death of Uncle Aaron, due to the depth and history behind it, remains the most tragic "death of Uncle Ben" in all of cinema... ever.
Miles stopped being the same since then, and even when a hurricane of emotions possessed him, he learned that no matter what, Spider-Man always gets up and keeps going, at the same time he learned to take his leap of faith. Before becoming Spider-Man he had a normal and happy life, but after being bitten by that spider his whole life fell apart, but of course, Miles is someone truly strong and full of determination thanks to the people close to him.
In two days, he surpassed almost the entire Spider-gang, and in a year and a half he become almost a professional as Spider-Man, even giving lessons to everyone else, and making it clear to Gwen and the others what truly means being Spider-Man, not standing by crossed arms while someone is in danger, but trying to do everything you can to save everyone, doing both things, even when it seems impossible, Spider-Man should always try, because everything it's possible.
At the same time that Miles felt stabbed in the back by the same people to whom he wanted to dedicate his entire future just to see them again since he felt alone and sad inside in the world without them, and, specially, without Gwen.
And let me remind something, Miles actually thinks she doesn't even love him and only sees him as a friend, but he still wants to see her
On the ATSV betrayal, he release all that hurricane of emotions that he had to swallow and accumulate inside during ITSV and during that entire year and a half for not having time for ALL those things said before, leading him to have anxiety and panic attacks (Something confirmed in the synopsis of the short "The Spider Within")
All so that they later reveal to him that he was a mistake, an anomaly, that he should never have been Spider-Man, that he killed the Peter of his universe, causing everything that gave MEANING to his life fell down in just a few minutes, leaving Miles more traumatized, mortified and with more trust issues than he already had before.
He really became one of the most tragic character of all the saga (Along with Peter B and, put it in some way, Miguel O' Hara)
And just because Miles looks with a cool and chill personality doesn't mean he's any less traumatized and mortified on the inside (An example is Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man).
Even though in the comics that nickname is only used because that is what his universe is called, in the movies, on the other hand, even though there are people on the internet who deny the fact that he is currently becoming an unstoppable phenomenon that is marking an entire generation and will mark future generations, Miles Morales proved to be, without a doubt, the Ultimate Spider-Man.
As a bonus, even though she always screwed up with everyone around her, both the living and the dead, Gwen showed that she really loves Miles and that he truly is the love of her life, however, needless to say, she has a lot of work to do in her redemption arc to be able to fix things with Miles, which will be very difficult but not impossible, even more so taking into account all the hate she received for everything that happened in ATSV.
Now she has to PROVE not only to him, but to all of us viewers, that she truly deserves to be with Miles, that they can have a life together by her own merit, and that all the hate towards her after the ATSV release it's truly unfair.
However, I have to be realistic, there are characters like Peni or even Peter B who should not be anything more than simple 'acquaintances' or 'partners' for Miles, since, with what they did, the term "Friend" It's too big for them.
In any case, Miles has the last word.
I can't believe I just realized that GWEN ACTUALLY took the hobie's converse ONLY to impress MILES because he wore the Jordan shoes on his suit, and that she took the shoes RIGHT BEFORE she went to see him (That's why Hobie was surprised to see that she took his shoes)
Even when they're knocked down on the ground they look so SOULMATES lmao
Headcanon that at least half of Miles' community already knows he's Spider-Man cuz bro LITERALLY WORE HIS NAME TAG WHILE IN HIS SUIT??
THAT'S YOUR CUSTOMIZED SCHOOL BAG WITH "Miles" WRITTEN ON IT, SOMEONE'S GONNA KNOW IT'S YOU 😭
Lately I have read and heard that "Gwen has depression in ATSV just like Peter B in ITSV" and while I understand that she went through a bad period of loneliness, sadness and, yes, frustration, after Peter's death (And in fact, the colors of her universe represent that, at least until the events of ITSV and her arrival in Spider-Society), to say that she went through something very delicate and heavy such as depression is pretty exaggerated.
Not only it's the fact that she was able to turn the page from that bad period with the arrival of Miles and her insersion into the Spider-Society, but that, taking into account that something like that was rudely seen with Peter B in ITSV, the creators had no intention of implying something like that, even more so considering that this film was not even rated PG-13
Besides, this is linked to something that the film wants to demystify, and that is that not everything is black or white, but there are grays, the intermediate points such as Gwen's internal struggle of whether to side with Miles or Miguel, when that was something in between. Same with the "Gwen betrayed Miles" phrase. Saying that "she betrayed him" are big words, since some people, instead of reaching an long but reasonable conclusion appropriate to the situation, prefer to reach a short but extreme and, of course, harsh conclusion.
However, the theme of the color palette representing her internal struggles linked to she missing Miles and the Peter thing is something that can only be applicable until the end of the ATSV prologue, since when she sees her father again after several months, the context is different in that case (Except by the Miles thing)
And through what she says on her date with Miles, when she joined the Spider-Society she was able to start a new stage in her life, being much better and much more happy than the previous stage (Even though she avoided her problems), and that would not have been possible if it had not been for her new and old friendships, her mentor, and of course, none of that would have been possible if it weren't for Miles, otherwise, his development in the first film and in this film would have lost weight and relevance.
I also take this opportunity to complain about the fact that the use of said word has been normalized to the point that it is called "having depression" with feeling bad or going through a bad stage, obviously temporary and that would eventually be reversed, which was precisely the case of Gwen entering the spider society and reversing that.
In conclusion, no, I don't think she suffered from anything like that even during the prologue, mainly because she, unlike other characters, is a very strong girl who, no matter what, gets up and keeps going, and she always finds motivation for this (Miles, her friends, her dad).
the look on her face when Rio found her jacket😭