“Men don’t cry”
WRONG
Odysseus cried every morning of his 7 year stay with Calypso. He sobbed on he beach for 2555 days in a row. Do you know how much of a commitment that is?
And do you know how MANLY Odysseus is? The man who was a soldier for ten years, killing for his family. The man who fought giants. The man with muscles so impressive the author had to describe his ‘boxers build’ and ‘rippling thighs’ constantly? The man who easily strung a bow with a 300 pound draw weight, then shot it perfectly? And then proceeded to easily slaughter 100+ grown men?
Never say men don’t cry. Be like Odysseus.
THIS GOES CRAZYYYYYYY
I haven't really seen anyone talk about this, which could simply mean I'm not chronically online enough, BUT let's point out a particularly chilling parallel I recently noticed in Epic: The Musical.
So, in the Circe Saga, we open up with the lovely song Puppeteer. We've talked about it, we've fawned over it, we all know every word to this song, I'm sure. But as I was listening to it last night (woohoo, statistics homework), a few lines stuck out to me that hadn't really before. Eurylochus is trying to convince Odysseus to just pack up and leave, and Ody replies with,
"Of course I'd like to leave now. Of course I'd like to run. But I can hardly sleep now, knowing everything we've done."
Which, you know, makes sense. Our guys have been at war for 10 whole years, at the conclusion of which our boy Ody drops an infant off a wall. But then, much later, comes 600 Strike (another banger of a song). And what is the exchange at the end of this song?
"After everything you've done, how will you sleep at night?"
"Next to my wife."
Like.
Bro.
That line went hard regardless of literally anything else when I first listened to the song, but now taking in the greater context of the whole musical? The fact that Odysseus himself at one point spoke of how he could hardly sleep because of his actions?? And is now so far off the deep end that it doesn't even cross his mind anymore???
I just about lost my ever-loving MIND last night when it all hit me. Anyways, here's my small contribution to the fandom.
The Iliad is a wonderful epic filled with super cool fight scenes, stealth missions, and gut wrenching sadness, but there’s this one moment that lives in my head rent free for absolutely no reason aside from slight amusement.
Not sure which book(chapter) it is, but there is a scene in which Achilles has completed his mourning over Patroclus, and if I’m not mistaken, Achilles was there for twelve days and did not eat or drink anything. Trust me this is important.
Achilles goes and he tells his mates (Ody, Menelaus, etc) that he’s gonna go out and absolutely rip Hector a new one.
Before he goes out though, Odysseus stops him and I kid you not, for at minimum half a page, our boy Odysseus goes on a whole MONOLOGUE about how important breakfast is, and how Achilles needs to at least have some meat and wine before he tears through the Trojan army and turns Hector into his personal ragdoll.
And if I’m not mistaken, Odysseus actually gets Achilles to eat before he leaves. What a guy, getting Achilles to listen to him.
Now go eat breakfast like Homer intended, dear readers. If the great, swift footed Achilles needs to eat breakfast, so do you.
CLEARING MY SCHEDULE FOR DECEMBER 6TH
IF THIS ISNT ACCURATE I WILL FILE A COMPLAINT IT LOOKS SO GOOOOOOOD
Current mood: the long, belting note at the end of the Love in Paradise “cliff scene”
You mates know the one
Hey
You mates think that Odysseus’ voice is a bit hoarse or gravelly from shouting to fleets for 20 years of his life?
Just curious
Patroclus’ shade singing a soft and comforting song to the mourning Achilles.
When Patroclus fights Hector in Achilles’ armor we hear Achilles’ musical motif instead because Pat is in disguise.
A song for Odysseus where he schemes up the Trojan horse and we hear his motif in the background kinda like in the sacking of Troy in Epic.
You could probably call it “Ilia” since that’s what the acheans call Troy.
I see your vision and I will help expand it. Someone get Jorge lol
with epic wrapping up, I've been thinking that it'd be pretty cool if Jay made a musical about the Iliad.
No idea what it'd be called but I think it'd be cool.
It'd also be cool get God Games 2.0 where Hera beats the crap out or Artemis with her own bow, along with the other stuff the Iliad has to offer.
We could also add Polites and Eurylochus to get a feel for what their time fighting was like. Along with maybe some Achilles/Patroclus, Cassandra, the dynamics between Agamemnon and Menelaus and Hector and Paris, Helen and Menelaus' reunion, etc.
And once that musical wraps up if could lead into Horse and The Infant
Do y'all see my vision-
When we hear The Challenge for the first time I will cry a river
not ready for the moment we actually see Penelope in Epic. because if the first time we see her is also the first time Odysseus sees her I will walk into a river
“We’re all in this together”, says the Pequod crew as Starbuck is about to shoot Captain Ahab
I know of the 600 Shade theory, but I’ve never actually heard of Hades being the one to release them.
I have heard everyone's theories and I raise yall:
Greek mythos brainrot is so bad that Odysseus king of Ithaka can grow mushrooms using my neurons
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