Let’s take off our fandom-glasses for a moment and look at the gorgeous canon conflict between Dabi and Hawks and “the injustice of morality”.
Now, the goal is to destroy an ‘unjust’ society. Which will inevitably kill many innocent people. Though: Some of the leagues members are genuinely good people (Twice) or just got abused by the system (Dabi) and see no other choice. Dabi sees his action as “justice”, since he longs for revenge against the man/system who did him wrong. [- But this brings him in conflict with his understanding of moral-pain, as he knows the people he kills have family. - To the point where he cried blood.]
His moral ideology is the extreme opposite of Hawks’.
When Hawks joined the league, he acknowledged the problem of “injustice”. He saw the flaws of the system and felt genuine sympathy for Twice. But he is unwilling to risk a single civilian life for changing it.
The bloody fun starts when Hawks is gets confronted with the “Trolley-Problem”.
This is a version of an ethical dilemma from 1967, surrounding the question: Do I stick to the “moral code” by not hurting a criminal or do I choose the “best” outcome, by causing a criminal’s death?
In a survey around 90% of the respondents said: “It’s okay to let one person die, to save the larger number of people.” This is the natural human ideology of “Utilitarism” and also occurs in social animal-species behavior.
BUT If you make it more “personal”, let’s say: You like the person and you have to kill them yourself – And Hawks liked Twice. - Even if it still saves a thousand lives, the reaction is completely different now: Only 10% of the respondents would still do it. Because now it “feels” wrong.
Even if “not killing this person, because you don’t want to feel wrong” would lead to “letting thousand people die, but feeling right”.
[He jokes he doesn’t want to be No. 2. He thinks his back isn’t broad enough. He jokes he isn’t “Top-hero”-material. (ref: ch. 188; ch.185)]
Hawks is one of the most intelligent characters within the MHA Universe, and his way of approaching problems is not influenced by “situational factors” but by “logical weight.”
Hawks took the harder choice and forced himself to suppress his own moral instincts for this. [Remember, he saved Twice’s life risking his own out of pure reflex. Hawks is a selfless hero, to a point where Dabi relied on it:]
[In fact, Hawks is so selfless, that he sacrifices his own “wish to feel like a good person” so save the larger number of people. ]
Let’s say (solely hypothetical) Hawks killed Twice – but Toga copies Twice’ quirk, and over hundred million civilians of Japan die nonetheless. Hawks has now killed a good man, without direct logical weight behind it.
Someone could (or will, because I’m fucking going to) conclude that the righteousness of Hawks action might solely depend on its success. ( – At least till we include numbers in Hawk’s imaginary litigation. Because Twices quirk included “exponential growth of fighting power”, the heroes’ chances of winning would run asymptotic to zero, which would result in the death of over a hundred-million people. Not taking the “risk” of beeing injustice would therefore have been illogical from Hawks’ perspective.)
Because Dabi’s character personifies the exact opposite ideology: “deontological theory”, which focuses not on the product of his acts, but the intrinsic value of the act in and of itself. Dabi approaches problems complete and utterly “selfish”. - No, this does not mean that he can’t do things for others out of sympathy- It means that he acts bird-free after his own instinctive moral-code and makes his decisions because he feels like they are the right thing to do. - Like a normal human - just a little more extreme.
[See, Dabi recruited Hawks into the inner circle of the League, without trusting him - because he doesn’t trust the League either. (He said this and acted like this several times.) Just like Hawks, Dabi is a lonely and paranoid man. But other than Hawks, he is driven by the injustice he experienced. He uses on his own pain as fuel to fight for the things he right now sees as “good”.)
- Dabi got exploited and abused by the hero-system? -> He will destroy said hero-system as revenge, to create momentary “justice” for himself.
- Dabi gets the chance to benefit from a hero? -> He will recruit him without much caring for long-term consequences.
- Dabi loses a valuable ally/partner trough a hero? -> He will kill/torture said hero as revenge.
Dabi is more “justice“ fixated than Hawks.
Dabi would never kill a man he likes for the “greater good”. (He also does not care about the “liberation”-ideology, or anything regarding the “freedom” of regular civilians. Which is shown in his fight against Geten and again in his monologue in chapter 267.) He only cares about the ‘injustice’ of the hero-system. Dabi clings to his “humanity” more than Hawks does and he reacts to his own pain with highly emotion-driven actions. He clearly does not care about the long-term effects his actions have on him- or everyone else.
[Neither Hawks nor Dabi expect a long life, but both deal with it very differently.]
From Dabi’s point of view, Hawks is injustice, because he killed a good man, right here and now and the consequences – good or bad – do not matter. (“The action in itself was amoral.”)
[It is very interesting to see the reactions within the fandom, paralleling Dabi’s exact ideology to the point where some wanted Dabi to punish Hawks in the name of justice. Dabi’s moral-code is to lesser extents portrayed in many shonen-protagonists (e.g. Gon from HxH) – and sometimes criticized as immature.]
Actually, both sides can be reduced to:
Dabi’s: “Think for yourself and do whatever the hell you recognize as righteous right now.” and Hawks’: “Think for the others and do whatever the hell is necessary to bring the maximum good to society.”
…And I also think thats pretty fucking cool.
and i’ll fucking do it again
Have you hugged your firebender yet today?
r.a. salvatore wrote in one of the legend of drizzt books “he died of natural causes, for a dagger in the heart quite naturally ends one’s life” and i’ve never gotten over that
Someone write this please
Civil War au where everything is the same except Bucky won’t stop flirting with Tony in the middle of fights
I’ve noticed that A) R2 doesn’t get enough love in the universe - despite the fact that everyone loves him and B) people tend to agree he called Leia “shouty princess”
So enjoy R2’s name list for our favorite Star Wars people
Anakin: Master Ani or Sand-Man
Windu: Angry Bald Man
Yoda: Little Green Troll
Plo Koon: Jedi Dad
Obi-Wan: Mr. Pretty or Swooshy-Hair
C-3PO: (it’s not appropriate in any language to repeat)
Han: Nerf herder
Padmé: Smol Senator or Mistress Naberrie
Ahsoka: Orange Striped Child!
Rex: Buff Mandalorian
Cody: Protocol Man
Kit Fisto: Barnacle Boy!
Satine: Mrs. Pretty
Depa: Many Braids
Caleb/Kanan: Funny Hair
Palps: Prune Face
Bail Organa: Mr. Politics
R4: Red Brother!
Luke: Master Ani 2.0 or Smol Sand Boy
GOD star wars: the clone wars (2008-2014) was the absolute fucking BEST. u do absolutely not anymore buckwild than insane range of emotions that seven seasons can put u thru. obi-wan commits a war crime in the first episode. anakin drinks a space martini. a sixteen-year-old decapitates four men in a single second and it is literally never mentioned again. anakin, obi-wan, and mace windu find SPACE GODZILLA and the entire jedi order collectively drinks We Love Peta™ juice, decide not to kill it, bring it to the capital city, and it breaks out (ofc) and kills, like, a half million people. sheev just hangs out in padme’s office for six whole seasons being, i dunno, evil and absolutely not a single person catches on. there’s a blue guy in a dope-ass big hat who beats every single jedi’s ass and they still only call him, “that guy in the hat.” darth maul’s been living in a literal garbage dump with eight legs for the past ten years. anakin endorses state-sponsored terrorism. padme once contracted the black death. the jedi order tries to prosecute a twelve-year-old for war crimes. maul is forcibly murdered two (2) times over and still lives for some bananas fucking reason. whenever anakin does something mildly risky the darth vader theme plays. yoda asks anakin if they’re friends. the jedi order tries to prosecute a sixteen-year-old for war crimes. a cartoon made for twelve-year-olds has a four-episode arc about government oversight of international banking. this all happens in the range of three years. this show is absolutely fucking nuts.
If this isn’t me
Me, watching the prequels: ugh who even cares about the stupid clone troopers
Me, a mere 5 episodes into The Clone Wars: I DO. I CARE ABOUT THESE STUPID CLONE TROOPERS.
And now I’m crying, and want to write fix-it for something that didn’t happen
“Do it,” Josef says, as Eli stands poised with the Hunter’s seed in hand, hesitation showing painfully clear on his face. “Before I change my mind, Eli!”
And Eli nods, and swallows what he was about to say, and pushes the hand clutching the brilliant-white pearl into Josef’s chest. He’s in up to the wrist before he checks himself and pulls back, but by that point Josef has gone stock-still, his expression a combination of shock and determination.
—
When the world ceases being brilliant-white, Nico finds Josef again. She shouldn’t be so surprised to see him bright-white and at odds with the suddenly-dingy landscape, but she is, because Josef has always been quietly ominous rather than blinding opposition.
Looking at him hurts.
She’s almost convinced herself that it’s because he’s practically shining, rather than because she is a demon, when he tears a hole in the Veil with a swing of the Heart.
There’s work to be done, he says. The Heart and I will hold off the demons. I’ll leave the rest to you, Eli.
He steps through the hole, and Nico waits for it to close, and chokes on the words that she does not want to say. She has never wanted to bid Josef Liechten goodbye.
She is just about to try when she steps halfway back through the hole.
Are you coming or not?
—
“You know what this means, right?”
It’s a question that has to be asked, because she’s never completely sure if Eli knows exactly what he’s getting himself into when he takes the first leap.
This time, though, he knows, and he is still just as determined.
“Of course. Go save the world.” When she doesn’t move, he adds, “Can’t get my bounty to a million standards if there’s no world to set the bounty, after all,” and manages a smile.
“A hundred years is a long time.”
“Please. I’m Eli Monpress, greatest thief in the world, and I will steal time itself if I have to.”
He pushes her through the portal after Josef, and it closes of its own volition.
The last time they see Eli Monpress alive, he is giving them his trademark cheeky grin, and he is trying desperately to hide the fact that his blue eyes are filled with tears.
———
a/n: Eli’s original plan, before the Lord of Storms provided another out, was to make Josef the Hunter. He must have known that Josef would never have done it without Nico out there at his side.
He was ready to give up everything he loved for the sake of the world.
Tell me that’s not sacrifice.
I identify as female with she/her pronouns. I love anything One Piece. Especially Trafalgar Law.
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