It Can't Be That Gwen Has Already Done Most Of The Facets Of An Average Gf/wife Without Being Miles'

I WANT TO SCREAM. FINALLY GOT ITSV ARTBOOK AND I JUST DYING FROM HOW GORGEOUS IT IS.

I can't stop flipping through pages and just adore every word and artwork in it 😭❤️‍🔥

I came here to just post some lines about Gwen because IT'S JUST SO GOOD. I love her so much.

JUST LOOK AT IT. «Nobody is cooler than Spider-Gwen. She is such a bad-ass.» 😭 i adore the creative minds behind this show.

I just so so happy that I'm living in the universe when Spider-Verse exists it's so awesome 🙏❤️‍🔥

Wanna know why I don't like Peter B.?

Because when Gwen was actively forced into homelessness in front of him, he literally didn't help at all. And then it gets framed on JESS.

Gwen asks for help. And Peter says this:

Jess asks him to stop talking.

And from this moment forward, Peter makes no effort whatsoever to help Gwen.

Mind you. This is AFTER Miles' escape. After the whole 'shocked Peter' gif. Peter knows Miguel is willing to get violent.

But that line is his only attempt to help.

Even as he watches Gwen be fully restrained and physically forced into the machine. He stands there and watches.

He doesn't try to web her. He doesn't try to stop the machine or talk to Miguel. He stands there in silence. Watching Gwen get sent home to a universe he knows she is homeless in.

And the movie just lets him. Despite the fact he's known Gwen longer than anybody in this room.

Instead, Jess is the only mentor at fault. We're told to blame her.

During this scene we never pan to Peter, standing there literally motionless as Gwen gets dragged away. He's not panicking, or trying to talk Miguel out of it. We're just expected to absolve him of blame.

It's Jess' fault. Jess is her 'failed mentor' - despite the fact that Peter has known Gwen longer, is shown to have a better relationship with her, and we're given no reason as to why he wasn't her mentor to begin with.

Jess says this, and we're supposed to judge her for it. While Peter said nothing at all. At most he made a joke and then shut up when he was told.

Jess might've believed she couldn't help Gwen - but what was Peter's excuse? Standing there and watching this happen? He doesn't feel the need to do anything, say anything, or even leave the room.

For him, watching this is fine. And Gwen NEVER confronts him about it.

We're not supposed to blame Peter for letting Miles and Gwen down, repeatedly.

Even when Gwen is being physically forced into homelessness in front of him.

We're told to blame the black woman when the white man who has known Gwen longer literally stands beside Jess motionless.

Had Hobie not left Gwen the watch - We're left to assume that Peter would've just... let her be homeless in her dimension.

He watched her get sent home, said nothing, then went home to his wife and kid to ponder whether or not he was a bad mentor.

Not if Gwen was okay. Or whether he should go check on her????

That's NOT OKAY???!!!! THAT'S TERRIBLE!!!!!!! And this is the man we're supposed to be routing for? This, the dude who shows NO signs he was even gonna go and check on Gwen? The dude who lets child abuse go down in front of him TWICE and he just stands there blinking? That's our Peter Parker?

And I'm supposed to be thrilled to have him on the team??? Despite the fact Gwen had to come TO HIM. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND???? Gwen doesn't see a problem with that?????

I'm supposed to be happy he's here? Forreal???

Oh joy. Thank you so much, Humbling Reality Spider-man. We love you.

I hate Peter B. ALL MY HOBIES HATE PETER B. (Not a typo)

Now that I look at it again that frame makes Gwen's face look a bit cursed lol

I want someone to look at me the way Gwen was looking at Miles when they see each other again after a year and four months...

They said that Gwen Stacy falls for Spider-Man in every universe and this girl understood the assignment.

Im about to replay stray (unrelated), so I put on atsv in the background, and I realized something.

Gwens entire arc is in this movie is explained in the first 3 minutes.

All she does is talk about miles but she's constantly relating her life to his, saying, 'he's not the only one." She wants to be like him, have the type of courage he has to step up to miguel. Not only that, but she starts with "lets do things differently this time" so we know the version of her that is speaking is the one at the end of the movie, when she is trying to fix what she did, and unhurt her friend.

Please, just rewatch the first 3 or so mins of the movie and tell me im not crazy. (It is taking every bone in my body to not go off on a tangent rn)

They basically spent a lot of time together in the bus scene and things happened that were never seen in the final cut, but said things did happen and they're there.

Why aren't we acknowledging all these convos Gwen and Miles had off screen that were confirmed??? He told her so much about his parents, she told him what happened between her and her dad. And that's just the confirmed ones??? They already share so much screen time together and yet we still don't know all of those moments that are just between him and her and not even we get to see it??? Oh my God!!!

And my favourite one: What was happening on that short trip when they took that selfie off screen in ITSV???? They clearly had so much fun together 😭

The writers said "it's between them and God it's none of your business" and I live for that.

There's no way that those parallels were not made on purpose, for some reason all the comparisons between Spider-Man being Sonic The Hedgehog and E-42 Prowler being Shadow The Hedgehog had A LOT of impact on the internet, leaving any other nonsense comparison with the SEGA characters completely forgotten.

If SEGA and Spider-Man or Marvel do a future collaboration, there's literally a 99% chance that Miles will be Sonic and Miles G. will be Shadow, thanks to all the fanarts and comparisons that were made between them.

And that's not to mention the number of comparisons between Ghostflower and Sonamy, which are many.

ProwlerMiles and SpiderMiles have the same energy as Sonic and Shadow the Hedgehog YOU ALL KNOW THAT IM RIGHT

OK, i don't know if i'm the only one who just realized this but, in the part where spot tells Miles how he brought the spider from earth 42, Miles G is seen in class and the spider is really close to him, until was transported.

Miles G was literally MEANT to be Spider-Man in his universe, while Miles was going to be the prowler, and because of spot the roles were basically REVERSED.

Massive W Spider-Man take

Lately I have read and heard that "Gwen has depression in ATSV just like Peter B in ITSV" and while I understand that she went through a bad period of loneliness, sadness and, yes, frustration, after Peter's death (And in fact, the colors of her universe represent that, at least until the events of ITSV and her arrival in Spider-Society), to say that she went through something very delicate and heavy such as depression is pretty exaggerated.

Not only it's the fact that she was able to turn the page from that bad period with the arrival of Miles and her insersion into the Spider-Society, but that, taking into account that something like that was rudely seen with Peter B in ITSV, the creators had no intention of implying something like that, even more so considering that this film was not even rated PG-13

Besides, this is linked to something that the film wants to demystify, and that is that not everything is black or white, but there are grays, the intermediate points such as Gwen's internal struggle of whether to side with Miles or Miguel, when that was something in between. Same with the "Gwen betrayed Miles" phrase. Saying that "she betrayed him" are big words, since some people, instead of reaching an long but reasonable conclusion appropriate to the situation, prefer to reach a short but extreme and, of course, harsh conclusion.

However, the theme of the color palette representing her internal struggles linked to she missing Miles and the Peter thing is something that can only be applicable until the end of the ATSV prologue, since when she sees her father again after several months, the context is different in that case (Except by the Miles thing)

And through what she says on her date with Miles, when she joined the Spider-Society she was able to start a new stage in her life, being much better and much more happy than the previous stage (Even though she avoided her problems), and that would not have been possible if it had not been for her new and old friendships, her mentor, and of course, none of that would have been possible if it weren't for Miles, otherwise, his development in the first film and in this film would have lost weight and relevance.

I also take this opportunity to complain about the fact that the use of said word has been normalized to the point that it is called "having depression" with feeling bad or going through a bad stage, obviously temporary and that would eventually be reversed, which was precisely the case of Gwen entering the spider society and reversing that.

In conclusion, no, I don't think she suffered from anything like that even during the prologue, mainly because she, unlike other characters, is a very strong girl who, no matter what, gets up and keeps going, and she always finds motivation for this (Miles, her friends, her dad).

You know, i've been thinking about something, "Why does Gwen have such a drastic personality change in ATSV?" 🤔

I mean, it is known that in ITSV the super cool personality that we see there is just a mask, and in ATSV she reveals her true personality.

We see a very akward, pathetic gwen and in her cringefail era (I love her sm), i mean yea, Miles was the cause of this, obviously, but what pushed Gwen to expose this? What pushed Gwen to take off that "super cool girl" mask and show her true personality in all that year and exposing all her flaws?

This.

Yes, the therapy is the most likely option for this change to happen.

Remember when in the ATSV prologue one of the girls in Gwen's band told her that if she didn't talk about her problems with someone she was going to explode? I'm pretty sure she took that advice and, taking advantage of the fact that there was a therapy office at the Spider-Society, she took a lot of sessions to get better, in addition to the help she received from her friends, of course.

I'm pretty sure that they didn't put on the therapy gag just to make a "funny" scene tbh.