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Hey, here are some cute scavenger pups, tell me you like them
Then you can see this↓
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ok. yea thats because of the rot
Voidspawn eggs don't spawn in watcher
unless you meant like. the other regions and stuff where theres not really anything for them to gravitate towards. and the small amounts of these things (aether ridge) are full of rot which voidspawn refuse to go anywhere near
Voidspawn eggs don't spawn in watcher
RAIN WORLD; THE WATCHER ENDING B SPOILERS
genuinely not saying this as a hater but as a mamaposting appreciator: the mamaposting doesn't have to use the "let's ____ with mama" formula. we forget that one of the original mama posts just said "my luminous mama" like you can take the mamapost anywhere. you can open your heart to all possibilities through mama. you can find whimsy in the innumerable qualities of mama
Ancient people in the mural and the machine there
It was fun to draw many ancient people in the mural!
doodle im not going to finish ever because i have thnings to do and sleep to slip. here is animal that just ate a lot of bugs and things and now has to curl up and dream for many hours to get rid of this energy
the reason theres no voidspawn in pebbles is because the rot is basically bug repellent to them
Voidspawn and the Hunter
Recently, @iteratorsex and I discovered that Voidspawn behave somewhat differently for the Hunter compared to other slugs. I decided to do some digging to figure out exactly what the differences are, and thought I'd present them here. There are a few different ways you can encounter Voidspawn in Rain World:
First of all, there are a number of rooms in Shaded Citadel where free-swimming Voidspawn spawn naturally. Specifically, they swim towards SH_D02 (the room with Monster Kelp and a karma flower at the bottom of the region) and mill about there. These Voidspawn do not appear at all for the Hunter.
Next, In the caverns beneath the Depths, Voidspawn are seen swimming towards and down into the Void Sea. These Voidspawn behave identically on all slugs, with some slight adjustments due to the state of Subterranean in the Saint's campaign.
Finally, there are the Voidspawn Eggs, small, round objects that can appear at specific locations throughout Shaded Citadel, Subterranean, and Shoreline. These locations are fixed across all campaigns, but for the Hunter, each individual egg only has a 6% (~1/17) chance of actually appearing. This is compared to a 100% chance on all other slugs. When the player touches a Voidspawn Egg, its Voidspawn is released and slowly wanders offscreen.
Normally, the Voidspawn released from eggs make their way out of the room through a designated exit, one chosen by Rain World's developers when they placed that particular Voidspawn Egg. However, for the Hunter all Voidspawn released from eggs are aimless: each one swims offscreen in a different, completely random direction. In the screenshots above, I artificially added many Voidspawn Eggs to a shelter. As you can see, for the Survivor they all swim in generally the same direction, while for the Hunter they each have a different heading, and far fewer Voidspawn spawned overall.
So, what does any of this mean?
I'm not sure, though it's all clearly very intentional. I can think of two general ways to explain the differences, at least. Either:
There is something special about the Hunter that makes it more difficult for them to see Voidspawn. It could be their disease, or related to whatever prevents them from encountering Karma Flowers.
Voidspawn are simply rarer outside of Subterranean prior to the Hunter's campaign. Perhaps the reactivation of Looks to the Moon drew more Voidspawn to the adjacent regions.
What do you all think? Which sort of explanation do you lean towards? Any ideas why the Hunter's Voidspawn should be so aimless compared to other campaigns?
ngl i really dislike the whole FP telling Artificer to go commit scavenger genocide.
if i could i would rewrite it, maybe i’d have FP tell Artificer how to ascend. of course, he’d still let her know she is unable to and is bound because of her anger, but he would still let her know how, just so she is aware if she ever manages to let go of this deep seated hatred.
he’d resync the citizen ID drone still, but wouldn’t tell her to go genocide scavengers. he’d simply let her know she can now access the city as his citizen or something. (and ofc, the player, being curious, will obviously go to explore Metropolis)
maybe if she visits him after killing some scavengers in metropolis (though, before killing scavenger chieftain), he’ll warn her and tell her that if she continues this, there truly will be no hope of her ever escaping this cycle of pain and misery
once she kills the scavenger chieftain and brings the mask he’ll probably give similar dialogue to what he says ingame
(i’m just salty they made FP tell Arti to go genocide scavengers instead of him .. doing his job… forever in my heart i HC this to be what he said to her instead)
You know what.
Fuck it. Im saying it. It's probably been said before but i dont care
A concerning amount of rain world fans hate mentally ill people and characters.
The way Five Pebbles gets written off as a "bad guy" so much just shows.
What he did isnt murder. Murder would imply it was premeditated. Murder would imply it was malicious. It was not malicious, it was not premeditated, it was not murder. Moon was not murdered.
It did get better with Downpour but still. FP should not be on the villians wiki. Especially when the categories the page is in are these
its because the hunter is evil
Voidspawn and the Hunter
Recently, @iteratorsex and I discovered that Voidspawn behave somewhat differently for the Hunter compared to other slugs. I decided to do some digging to figure out exactly what the differences are, and thought I'd present them here. There are a few different ways you can encounter Voidspawn in Rain World:
First of all, there are a number of rooms in Shaded Citadel where free-swimming Voidspawn spawn naturally. Specifically, they swim towards SH_D02 (the room with Monster Kelp and a karma flower at the bottom of the region) and mill about there. These Voidspawn do not appear at all for the Hunter.
Next, In the caverns beneath the Depths, Voidspawn are seen swimming towards and down into the Void Sea. These Voidspawn behave identically on all slugs, with some slight adjustments due to the state of Subterranean in the Saint's campaign.
Finally, there are the Voidspawn Eggs, small, round objects that can appear at specific locations throughout Shaded Citadel, Subterranean, and Shoreline. These locations are fixed across all campaigns, but for the Hunter, each individual egg only has a 6% (~1/17) chance of actually appearing. This is compared to a 100% chance on all other slugs. When the player touches a Voidspawn Egg, its Voidspawn is released and slowly wanders offscreen.
Normally, the Voidspawn released from eggs make their way out of the room through a designated exit, one chosen by Rain World's developers when they placed that particular Voidspawn Egg. However, for the Hunter all Voidspawn released from eggs are aimless: each one swims offscreen in a different, completely random direction. In the screenshots above, I artificially added many Voidspawn Eggs to a shelter. As you can see, for the Survivor they all swim in generally the same direction, while for the Hunter they each have a different heading, and far fewer Voidspawn spawned overall.
So, what does any of this mean?
I'm not sure, though it's all clearly very intentional. I can think of two general ways to explain the differences, at least. Either:
There is something special about the Hunter that makes it more difficult for them to see Voidspawn. It could be their disease, or related to whatever prevents them from encountering Karma Flowers.
Voidspawn are simply rarer outside of Subterranean prior to the Hunter's campaign. Perhaps the reactivation of Looks to the Moon drew more Voidspawn to the adjacent regions.
What do you all think? Which sort of explanation do you lean towards? Any ideas why the Hunter's Voidspawn should be so aimless compared to other campaigns?
this pearl is very very important here!!. & because of that pearl i do not think it's an iterator-specific clock, the citizens used it too. personally i think that 0000.001 would have marked some point around the start of the void fluid revolution or iterator era. the dates in the pearls seem to progress without any sort of reset so i doubt it's a yearly cycle. the pearl also says "the beginning of 1514.008", if it only lasted 1 minute i dont think they'd feel the need to say "beginning of"
moon did say she would wait as long as possible because forced communications are unpleasant for everyone in the network, and it took only 6 decimals for her to become desperate, so i feel like whatever a decimal represents, it isn't very short. in the eyes of an iterator, no she did not wait very long, but the same cant really be said for her dying processing strata
i'm not saying a cycle is 1 day, but using cycles to measure the decimals would mean that a 24 hour cycle made it 75 years that had passed. and if it were longer then it would be. like. actual centuries. saying that was mostly to emphasise my point about it being a long time that had passed. unless you say rain world people could live for centuries which feels not very plausible (i know they are technologically advanced and 1.5x-2x the size of a human or whatever but it feels a bit weird to say they can live that long) the decimals probably represent somewhere between a few days to a couple of weeks worth of time, depending on how old seventeen axes fifteen spoked wheel was when they got championship of the speaking tournament. it says they had memories from old age so unless you say they won the speaking tournament a few days before they ascended, the decimals definitely dont represent 1 minute
i assumed a rain world 'year' was 1000 cycles, so if a cycle lasted 24 hours then a year in rain world would equate to a few years in our world. so once the decimals reach 1000 it makes 1630.999 turn to 1631.000. the only word for time measurements used by characters ingame is cycles (i think) so i have doubts about there being a shit ton of different ones idk thoug </3 abnyway. to the iterators it wouldnt have felt like centuries that pebbles had been missing, it'd have felt a lot shorter than that, but it was still a long time. i think. maybe im wrong about all this. it's probably vague on purpose
does five pebbles often disappear for very long periods of time or something
suns. what do you mean "not in a long while" he has literally been radio silent for 27,552 cycles. i understand that iterators perceive time as faster than we do but what the fuck . is pebbles disappearing for tens of thousands of cycles a normal occurrence why were they so casual about it if you say 1 cycle = 24 hours (it is probably longer) that makes 27,552 cycles = 75.5 years. it only took 6 cycles for moon to become desperate enough to force communications with pebbles so she was probably dead by then as well. how did this even happen without suns having any idea about it. talk to other local groups a bit more jesus christ dude
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drawing stuff while thinking about the descriptions and images left on blank pearls
you have to be actually insane about rain world worldbuilding to get all the references in this
there's something so telling about how the rain world fandom at large sees the ancients as cruel (and sometimes, a suicide cult), when all we get in the canon material is how much they loved the world and savoured the mundane.
as a sidenote — i'll be talking about vanilla. downpour won't matter in this context.
the white pearls are a great example of this — a line of a verse from a poet. the vague imprint of a family portrair (imitating a specific style popular during the era it was made in). a list of someone's 71 lucky numbers. an image of a hand drawn document with beautiful calligraphy of a (in moon's opinion) dull classical poem. what could be someone's alchemical treatise. someone playing recursion games with an image of a pearl in a pearl of a pearl in a pearl and so on. a very faded image of a tall structure with banners unfurled. what might be a recipice or a shopping list of some kind. a repetitive hymn. the mention of big festicals with sky-sails. an image of five bottles standing on a surface possibly made of plants.
not to mention the pearl found in shaded citadel, where one of the memories mentioned is "watching dust suspended in a ray of sun". it's such a small mundanity and yet its mentioned all the same as eating a tasty meal and winning a debate contest and being applauded by team members.
not to mention the various other colored pearls. one with a mantra repeat 5061 times, ending with a termination verse, and the fact that many of these were usually worn together. a small text of spiritual guidance. verses written in old and intricate language. a writing in which the author wishing the recipient's crops and yields be blessed.
and yet we see them as cruel? for what? the fact they wished nothing be stuck in the cycle of life and death? that they wish even the smallest speck of microbe and the tiniest bug be able to leave their struggles behind and ascend?
ascension in itself can easily be read as a grief allegory, whether intentional or not, but much more clearly i think is just meant as acceptance. acceptance that everything is okay and you're okay and you've done everything you've wanted, so you're ready to cut your ties and ascend, because you've finished everything. i think enlightenment is being able to say "living was so fun, i've done everything i've wanted, and i'm ready to move on". all the echoes we meet are there because they're lingering on some part of their life. something they can't leave behind. something that they miss still in the inbetween. they're unable to find true enlightenment even after ascending because they can't accept moving on fully, not yet.
though, one thing of note, is this quote from moon, regarding the bright red pearl found in farm arrays;
There were some horror stories though… That if your ego was big enough, not even the Void Fluid could entirely cross you out, and a faint echo of your pompousness would grandiosely haunt the premises forever.
this implies a lot in one, obviously. but we have to remember: moon is a biased narrator, and these were only horror stories. they could have evolved from parents telling their kids to not have their heads up their own asses because otherwise they won't be able to ascend (because obviously ascension was held in extremely high regard in their religion - much like going to heaven is in christianity! how interesting! we'll circle back to this later), or many other things. if anything, from what we see, this... isn't entirely accurate, the echoes we speak to don't sound like they have a big ego. they're reminiscing on life, and parts of it that they missed and still cling onto.
of course, i can see the argument against 'wanting to ascend everything' — but in the context of rain world's lore? i don't think it's cruel. i think it's offering a helping hand. i think they just didn't want everything to struggle endlessly in the cycle of life, death, and reincarnation. and i think that makes perfect sense.
so..... why does parts of the fandom call them a "suicide cult" or say "ascension = suicide"?
i think it has a lot to do with how a lot of people aren't reading the religion and religious practices as they're meant to be viewed, and are instead viewing them in an overly christianised lens (whether consciously or subconsciously, intentionally or not), where anything that isnt "wanting to go to heaven" is a sin, and therefore bad. historically, many other religious practices have been demonised, and i'm sure this also includes their versions of "going to paradise" (when applicable) being smeared and implied to be something akin to going to hell.
(downpour really didn't help this either. i fear it only made the "ascension is and and also suicide" interpretation more prevelant in some way, but i won't get into that now.)
i get it — rain world's lore does require an ability to leave your religious bias by the door, as well as critical thinking and analysis and a hell of a lot of extrapolation from what we have.... but it feels really offputing how it's become extremely normalised to joke about how they're committing suicide by ascending, and that they're a suicide cult. both suicide and cults are an extremely sensitive and serious topic, both of which have lead to extremely bad situations.... but i digress.
the fact that many people are instantly casting shade and doubt to the ancients and calling them cruel and heartless when under it all they're just people, like us, with unique religious practices, formed by the unique world which they live in. they love the world and they want to help other living beings. they are not trying to kill everything — they simply want it all to move on, to what they may very well view as some sort of equivalent of 'paradise' (although we will never really have full context of their practices and culture, but we can make a lot of guesses).... which, really, isn't that what you'd want, too, if you thought you had a choice in the matter?