Why S.M. Didn't Sabotage EXO... At Least Not How You Think

Why S.M. didn't sabotage EXO... at least not how you think

S.m. did not sabotage Exo. They don't sabotage any of their groups. At least not how people think they do. Sure, from the fans and artists perspectives, I definitely think they may feel like that is the case, but we don't read their contracts. Heck, they probably didn't even read their contracts. Somebody can only screw you over if you let them.

It is possible to bargain and refuse to sign a contract if you don't want to. Multiple artists have left S.M. Entertainment and decided not to renew their contracts, but Exo, 8 members of Exo, did. They decided to stay in a contract locked tight with S.M. to stay in the group Exo.

Many say they had to; they had no choice, but they did. They could have all left together. There is no excuse for why they didn't. Because of the redraft of Korean entertainment laws to combat the exact thing that CBX sued for, the Korean government gave groups like Exo an out.

Which is why I knew they could not win their lawsuit, because it is very clear. It does protect the artists but it also protects the company. If you choose to resign odds are you will not win a lawsuit. The new law is a safety vest. If you throw it away you cannot cry foul.

There are many very helpful videos about this law that exist online. Groups can leave together with all their music and their name, but only if they leave together. Most likely what happened was some wanted to leave and some wanted to stay. It is quite clear who was on those two different sides.

The law is very specific that the thing is with this situation ALL the members must leave together if they want their name and music.

That right there would be, or should be, enough to stop this false claiming of S.M. mistreating Exo. Which, honestly, is kind of comical in 2024, the difference of the meaning of that word. Actual groups are abused by their agencies, and people think a company not making a group as famous as they could be is mistreatment.

It's not. And hey, if it was, and I'll give it to you, maybe that is a crappy thing to do, to block offers and say, Nah, we're not going to make you more famous but...

They could have left; they all had the free will to leave.

Though that would mean no more S.M. promotions, no more S.M. paying for everything, and no more benefits. Do I really have to go to the s.m. website and show you all the benefits they give to their employees? I mean, it's pretty nice. Sadly, we live in a world of comparison. People are desperate to find some comparison between the haves and the have-nots. Maybe if these millionaires aren't getting the highest pay in the company, then they deserve people to rally for them.

It's like a huge victim off--who is the least privileged rich person.

it's giving

Why S.M. Didn't Sabotage EXO... At Least Not How You Think

But it's not even as simple as that. S.m invests a lot of money into each artist. They made them famous, they built them up, they got them sponsorships and acting jobs, and like it or not, they got them a fandom too. From S.M.'s perspective, they made the group. I mean, fans are shallow, and they want content and fan service, which is valid. I mean, if you like a show, sure you want more seasons, but these are real people. It takes millions to get these guys a reality show, wearing fancy clothes, with makeup artists and a camera crew with a rented-out villa. On top of feeding everyone, staff, managers, producers and stylists.

Meanwhile, some groups have personal YouTube channels just hanging out. Like the comparison is not valid. Like yes, they are so oppressed they have to spend tons of money giving their fans a fancy reality show to watch and heavily scripted and edited YouTube sketches.

S.m truly hates their guts so much they let them rag on them in public and on bubble and still buy them birthday cakes lmao.

I mean, think about that: Who needs all that to hang out with their friends? People bend over backwards to make it seem like S.M. is sabotaging them with no content... like it's not hard to hang out and film it. It's not S.M.'s fault they need a script or be at a concert in order to have chemistry. Kai said himself it took him a long time to get a youtube channel because he had to organize and pay for everything. It's expensive to do what they want to do. Look perfect, have great editing and keep their image fancy.

There are tons of issues in Kpop and s.m ent but complaining about the most pointless things takes validity away from the argument.

"But ...they cancelled youtube red reality show/ they said no to cochella" allegedly..

Do ya'll understand that those are avenue's that can't be controlled. Look at what happened to those poor girls who went to that event and got trashed for weeks. Anything can happen and it's not an asian event. Exo has had bad performances in the past, mess ups, bad notes, if that happened in a crowd full of foreigners who may not even be into kpop; they aren't women who can just laugh it off cause they look like instagram models, that would be humiliating. People are way meaner to men on the internet.

Do I need to bring back the last time S.m and fans tried to push exo performing at a western event, a very traditional group of people opposed it heavily citing it was an american event and began picking the group apart. Gender and race are a huge issue companies are hesistant how they bring a group to the west. They purposely promoted super m differently to prevent a bad reaction from certain groups of people. They wore less makeup, did less overt fanservice and made sure they promoted them more masculine. They always referred to one another as brother. They don't want to put their groups in a bad spot and I don't blame them.

Did people ever think that the group may not of been the best group to perform at that type of event. They have a lot of members and cochella isn't known for focusing on dancing. Some members don't even have lines in most songs, they would just be standing there. They aren't blackpink or 2ne1 with only four members who equally share lines.

I don't remember other large groups crying cause they weren't invited to cochella, because every market is different. Rappers, bands and female performers do better at cochella than dudes and there's nothing wrong with that.

How can 9 people sing equally at a musical event?

"Youtube offered them a show why didn't s.m take it"

With Youtube red...can exo be as authentic as the documentary may require? Can they have a scene with serious or contraversial stuff like hybe is doing and their fans be okay with that? Maybe that wasn't a risk they were willing to take. They have a completely different promotion style than other companies. The fans do not know these people. What if the members had to show their real authentic personalities? Would fans even be interested in that? It could destroy the fourth wall s.m built up for them. Fans would rather ignore issues just like the lawsuit, they plug their ears and cover their eyes, even when it was cbx who tried to call attention to it. They were trying to say they had an issue but fans just wanted more fluffy content and were upset the lawsuit messed it up for them. So could the fandom take a documentary where problematic stuff might be filmed? The fans themselves might of boycotted youtube.

They would of been like:

"How dare they put the boys in a bad light. S.m should have protected them"

The members are known for saying stuff that got them in trouble with foreign american fandoms. What if it caused more trouble than it was worth?

That's how companies have to think.

I understand that there are many things which do need to be talked about concerning exo, s.m and kpop but the reality is that be honest most do not want to have those conversations. How many injuries and people passing out had fans rolling their eyes saying "again?"

or "screw s.m"

what does that do?

People don't even know how to boycott because they are so addicted to their faves being top sellers and milking their achievements. How can people say they don't care when they talk about exo's awards like they earned them themselves. The only award a fan should be proud of is a grammy because there's a council of critics who are unbias not a bunch of crazy fans.

When people let go of their ego then change will happen until then the companies will continue to do whatever they want. Having underage children dancing in a basement learning how to attract fans is an issue. Millionaires getting less money than they thought they could get is not.

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I was more intelligent next time I was determined find a writer who could write female characters into a fic that didn't have females as the main love interest. I believed in humanity.

Found one but everyone in the comment kept complaining that there were too many women and too much character development.

Then there's the issue of despite nearly every kpop ff taking place in america there's only korean characters and no discussion of like any wider array of topics like ever. Like stuff do be happening in america. I just feel like fanfics fell off when people stopped writing like they were writing real people on a real planet. It may be a side effect that kpop became so closed off and cult like over the years. Idols being kept in boxes only interacting with select groups of people. It made fans not want to even think of idols in real life situations. I truly believe if exo was on tmz in some mess some people actually might pass out. Sm kept them in a bubble. Most of kpop is in a bubble. It makes the fans more emotionally connected but also they seriously don't think they have autonomy. Like fans are okay with idol interactions but if somebody saw an idol dancing in a club with somebody w video evidence like the facade would be shattered. Nobody would say it but many would not like that person anymore. I think its expressed in the ff. Like in reality kai's very feminine, he is there's nothing wrong with that. He has been since childhood. But depending on who he is in a fan's perception. Whether he's the dominant part of a ship or in a het context or a cute tw!nk like there's always authenticity missing when people write him. Like whole parts of his character are missing.

Cause he is feminine but also tends to act more feminine when around women which is psychologically interesting to me. Anyway I guess what I'm getting at is like why has no one written a he's expecting au for him?

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Not in a pushy way just in a pondering way.

Like lmao watch andante he was basically as omega as you can get

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the girlfriend character took the reigns and the entire show completely flipped gender norms on its head. But I've seen many say they didn't like the show simply because he was with a girl and by proxy that meant it was cliche and played out not even bothering to watch the entire show. (Its not even that the girlfriend was masculine he just let her take the lead)

Which is an insult to kji because all his characters were unique and complex he never wanted to play just a generic lead which is why he turned down so many roles. I firmly believe he could of been in many shows and even films but he wanted to choose roles he felt built up the image and mythos of kai. He never wanted to do variety for that reason.

In miracle we met he played an angel but not only that but also a sort of romantic interest to an older non traditional female lead character. Sadly because of traditional views the relationship wasn't looked at as closely as it would have been if the actress was younger and closer to the beauty standards. If a show isn't pushing or hitting people over the head with something people simply ignore it.

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If it's not aesthetic enough people simply overlook what is being shown to them.

Again a big part of this is the compartmentalized thinking of society. People tend to stay in the realm of what the media pushes and is deemed acceptable.

Lastly in spring has come many interesting topics where explored, including typical non traditional gender roles, age difference, money in relation to love, and sadly many either avoided the show because of it being het and not bl or disliked it because there wasn't a kissing scene.

Kji may not speak a lot about his personal life and preferences but I believe he chooses to show it instead by meticulously immersing himself in the projects he is apart of.

Its like its been such a long time since debuted I feel like fics concerning him could be like a wee bit more complex.

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he used to be so talkative and expressive. I believe a part of him becoming introverted was because sm pushed him into being a blank canvas for the public. Despite publicly dating twice he consistently plays like he has no experience with anything and is always careful to talk in terms of metaphors concerning women. Exo l being his girlfriend publicly is like so

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cause back in the day fans would have been like lmao how cringe now its like they are all aboard. The parasocialism is flourishing. But it means nobody wants him to act or date or do anything interesting that would give him you know inspo for the albums they love so much. Personally as a former directioner I feel like in terms of high art, dating models, a kardashian or a thespian works best.

Not even talking just girls even at gucci events he sticks by staff he doesn't go out and mingle w male models despite a quick chat or photos. Like when he went back to korea and wrote exo l a note basically saying how he was the only korean and didnt talk to anyone. He can speak english its just not his image to hang around foreigners. its really sad honestly and no I don't think its just cause he is introverted I believe its partially out of fear. Kfans would drop him if he hung out with a different racial group simply because its something they don't expect from him. Members of black pink can do it but their fans don't see them as a bubble chia pet. Boy band fans want subordination in all ways or else they drop members. A group of ppl on twitter said ksoo wanted western validation and implied he didn't want to be korean cause he talked about camila cabello and justin beiber and someone said baekhyun was shameful for liking chris brown

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Which is literally insane they expect them to be in a bubble a prepubescent fanservice never talk about women or men who date women. Its ridiculous. I just miss when kji could have his own personality and image but over the years the fan view began to restrict his self expression. Its only shown in his albums but then he can't talk about it.

Tbh if he can get back into acting idc what ff authors write. Everytime exo needs to go viral he has to wear his back tf out arching it like that. Yoga can only help so much. Post military idk how much more he can take. I think he could do sci fi pretty well, I can see him in an alice and borderland type show. Or the weird types of jdramas. Honestly I always thought he'd go to america eventually sm just had to be smart about doing it. Idk if harry can get in a marvel movie I truly believe anything is possible. I saw that policeman movie poor baby can't act to save his life.

Lmao all this cause I was mad people only wrote him intersex in the context of yaoi. Like has nobody watched cw, freeform,? Good trouble. Maybe he's a single pre law student trying to make it in the big city, accidentally gets pregnant then gives the baby up to a wealthy couple only to change his mind and raise the kid on his own with his quirky roomates. Like not everything has to be a romance. Jongin is a strong independent blaq ish woman who does not need a man. He's proved this countless times. Everything he does thats effeminate on twitter is meow meow, kitten, malewife. Like where was the neocapitalist feminism we were all indoctrinated under, where's the great mother worship, where is the respect for the divine feminine. Its all become a joke I fear. I have no proper reasoning but I blame tyler perry. After Madea's family reunion all female led movies turned into domestic violence themed messes. But on that note like kji does kinda look like jlo in enough or gives off the same mama bear energy. I think an enough au could work...imma just stop here cause im tired and ill start on my multitude of late night brain theories of how sm could of had exo on shake it up and kai and rocky could of had a dance battle.....

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2 months ago

I can't wait for everyone to get to a point where they realize this and all the other times the members hit one another wasn't okay. No matter who did it. Nobody should put their hands and try to hurt their coworker in public, it's not cute. All the members have hit or pushed or kicked one another in some type of way. Honestly I found it weird cause it's very rare to have that happen so many times with such a controlled group which tells me this was normal. It's really sad cause many were very young, some hardly knew one another and it's just really suspicious. They all got used to disrespecting and being disrespected physically and it wasn't okay. Because S.m was the management I still blame them because it's their job to control that type of thing. It's obvious s.m let them do whatever, I suppose if they just start fighting oh well. They didn't care about these boys and in turn they took their frustration out on one another, but still had to makeup because they had no choice. They had to punish the others who misbehaved in public cause the managers weren't allowed to do so. It's very sick and I pray they get healing for all the trauma they went through.

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3 months ago

even better what if they want to publicly date? What if they want to go on insta live with their partner, what if they want to discuss their crush on the internet. What if they want to take photos in the club with their partner or crush and post it what about that? This don't ask don't tell policy is equally unhealthy. It's normal to be curious about someone's love life but it's not normal for them to loose their career over dating someone. Maybe other things need to be confronted like why groups need to be best friends for people to like their music.

everyone repeat after me: “idol relationships are not any of my business and i do not need to know whether they’re in a relationship or not bc that is their personal life and they are a real living human being just like i am and it is not my place to invade their privacy or demand to know their private lives when they sacrifice enough of their privacy just by being an idol”


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7 months ago

i can tell half these fans watched the show like 2 times

aint no way the debate almost 20 years later is kataang or zutara? They were kids, uneducated, living on the run, traumatized children. Who were later placed in child marriages by the writers to appease adults who thought they looked kawaii together. This is sick.

Katara will forever trying to be her mother stuck in time, Zuko will forever be afraid of his shadow and reflection and Aang will always be that child with more pain than he can handle. I hate people who barely know these characters talking about ships and romances. They are so much more than that. The creators cant even delve into the characters because the fans catch a tantrum every time they do something adult or imperfect. Can't wait for the animated films to come out hope its ultra realistic and crushes everyones fantasies. These kids are warriors but people think they are cutie pies.

The show is spiritual above all else yet people only talk about this mess. Like tai chi is a real thing. Energy bending is a real thing. Katata does reiki heaking, Zuko's heat breath its a style of yoga, Aang being vegeterian and his love for animals that comes from universal oneness. Appa and momo are shown as concious beings.

So much to discuss, yet the focus is in a 2 dimensional understanding of relationships.

Guru patik was correct attachment especially to the false ideal of love via romance is stupid. The irony of Aang dying to save Katara is that honestly if given the choice over her father and brother or grandmother or Aangs life.. she wouldnt do the same for him. The love was misguided. Which is exactly the lesson of the story. But people think that choosing romance over your own soul is good. No it makes you a fool. Aang betrayed his own self and he died for it. Notice he only mastered the avatar state after he realized the others werent serious like he was cause in the end it was his life. And none of them would of fought the firelord for him. Even if they did they wouldnt of lasted five minutes. Zuko and katara could barely handle Azula. And then they only beat her because she had a whole breakdown. Only momo was with him until the end. This is why I hate fanservice it gives shippers to much to go off of.


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1 year ago

black women

are some of the most caring empathetic beings on the planet huge hearts, the older I get seeing how bw are demonized and objectified in the media is sickening behind every video vixen is generational trauma, abuse, trying to breal generational poverty its so sad this heirarchy of black women where its our own sisters in the comment section demeaning these women right along side predatory men and other races of women. Idc how problematic black women are you just don't do that. Black republicans ignore history and colonization and the fact thay the slave trade both western african and eastern sold and abused black women on a very high level. Epigenetic trauma is real, all the focus should be on black women supporting each other and helping each other heal. Siding with white conservative media or even the current social media view of black women is not helpful. We don't need hate we need biology, psychology, amd history classes in school centered around black women. Educating and treating young people class and social standing aside there really needs to be black female private schools, therapy centers health food stores gyms. Like this should be the focus reading so many books centered om a completely eurocentric standard, seeing how other countries around the world have their own medical schools and everything. Like that should be the focus. African americans have such a stronghold on pop culture but nothing to show for it, I desperately want better for us.


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2 months ago

lmao in korea the paps work for the gov literally. Its all planned out. I heard they have a file drawer on what scandals would best garner public reactions.

Dispatch makes me sick. What they do is a invasion privacy. I honestly hope to God that whoever’s relationship is revealed gets love and support from everyone because fans can be very possessive.

That's the thing is that dispatch also approaches the companies before releasing anything like this on idols and ask for money to keep it quiet - so it's never a "shock" to them but it's still disgusting nonetheless. The way paparazzi are is just nasty any way

1 year ago
1 year ago

vampire chronicles thoughts

Personally I don't like the racebending in the show and I feel like in an effort to be more diverse they just added in a multitude of more problematic things, like the underlying implications of two mulatto people in New orleans who would be 'free' but now are owned by a vampire master who likeable or not is still controlling them in some way and prohibiting them from true freedom.

Like if that was the intention to make it more thought provoking cool, but I wonder if they understand the audience mainly being full of people who are more excited to see hookups between the two main character than put forth much deeper thought to the dynamic between louis and lestat in a more analytical way. That is truly horror, and maybe that was the intention but in this day and time I think the fandom culture is quicker to be happy about poc's in such a popular show than think of all the problematic themes in the vampire chronicles.

I don't mean problematic in the way most people do, like they should apologize or cancel the show, no on the contrary, I am glad the show is unapologetic in a way, the burden falls more on the viewer to see the deeper message being put in the story.

I feel like personally I will just keep my own thought and character castings to myself because I'm a total perfectionist with that sort of thing. I love realms of atlantis which everybody hates, and I have a 2 billion dollar budget in my head for that book that I don't think will ever be matched by any studio. But yeah, I never even watched the show but I wanted to say this cause I do like a few of the vc's books. Lestat to me is the best character but it's like nobody can get him right, tom cruise did a good job but still not quite lestat is such a rare character that's been crafted so spectacularly I don't think a live action version in this era...could ever do him justice, it's either too masculine or too modern day pretty boy like I just can't figure out how he's supposed to look in a way that would be timeless.

Also with people confusion on why the vamps male at least regardless of all the tension never get together in that way..... I don't know I think it's artistic preference, after writing fiction myself I completely get it now. There are some stories certain things just don't happen. Like idk. I don't think it's that deep. It's' like how on some tv shows the parents never kiss but on others they do. Writers at times just write what comes to them.

Also it's very likely that anne saw lestat and louis as a different alternative version of herself and her husband, in a way, not completely, so maybe she didn't feel comfortable writing super passionate scenes like that with them.

I really don't know cause lestat did get with women...so like seriously I don't know.

That's very interesting. It's possible that she didn't want to say it or there wasn't terminology for this back then but maybe the character weren't actually into guys, weird with all the tension, but it's possible the male vamps had a more animal like dominant submissive thing going on which isn't necessarily as humans put it romantic.

(Which is another thing I think the network screwed up on but I get it seeing that they are concerned about viewership. Which is the entire reason they have a business in the first place.)

It's completely different. Which is a part of the reason why I liked the book it used predictable themes and taboo's but didn't go about it in the way you'd expect. It makes them more real to me. People are hardly ever predictable.


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1 year ago

tv review

Good trouble is the best show ever..more seasons..more drama..callie is amazing, Gael is a cool dad..booboo stewart,,malika, mariana..speculate..everyone should watch it I need more seasons

but seriously tho I started watching it a few years ago and now that shows with women being actual characters who talk, with views and opinions that are...respected are like few and far between seriously it’s such a great show. Mainly female cast, all of them are great very little women being hurt or abused or in awful situations. Which like I personally feel now that I’m 22 and my teen way of thinking is fading..I think that’s great. What we watch gets subplanted in our subconcious. A big reason why women are treated so badly irl is because media is full of women basically being treated as sub human. It may be a thing that’s like a joke now but it’s actually not. I feel like when there are few women led positive shows in the media you can see the effects throughout society. Sadly media does have that strong of an effect on people especially young people. This show is the modern day gold standard of doing women centric shows right. 

There were times it came across as a bit stereotypical but they always used stereotypes as a basis to build up and develop characters. Creating along the way a beautiful realistic expanded universe from the fosters..it’s just so good.


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