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3 years ago

Qrow becoming a father figure to Mercury is such an underrated scenario it hurts me. Besides Qrow's personal villain being Tyrian who is tormenting Mercury as we speak, their individual narratives, albeit on opposite sides of the war, complement each-other so well.

Qrow saw no value in his life because of his semblance bringing harm to those he loved so he isolated himself in addiction and pledged unconditional loyalty to someone who lied and (to an extent) used him. Mercury had his semblance taken away from him for being "weak", which led him to reduce his personal value to strength, latching onto anyone to whom his skillset as an assassin can be useful in exchange for safety.

At least an interaction over their self hatred leading them to unhealthily follow people who gave them value and purpose, even if treated as a means to an end.


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3 years ago

Mercury: Sorry people are being weird to you about liking murder. What’s your favourite murder fact?

Cinder: When you kill people they die.

Cinder: Unless they’re Ruby Rose! Then you go “Ruby, I thought the void ate you!” and she’s like “shut the fuck up something something power of friendship.”

3 years ago

People be out here like Freezerburn would end in divorce like these two didn't have the most softest reunion hug.

As if Weiss didn't open to her and Yang vise versa and held each other.

I rest my case


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3 years ago
I Really Hope Whitley Gets Glyph Like His Sisters Soon. It Would Be Really Cool! (^ ▽ ^)
I Really Hope Whitley Gets Glyph Like His Sisters Soon. It Would Be Really Cool! (^ ▽ ^)

I really hope Whitley gets glyph like his sisters soon. It would be really cool! (^ ▽ ^)


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3 years ago

Reaching Out - Part 3 : Edric, Eda & Worldbuilding

Reaching Out - Part 3 : Edric, Eda & Worldbuilding

Finally & hopefully the last part of this breakdown... The subplots ! And this episode did very well with them !

As previously stated in Part 1; even outside of Luz/Amity/Alador, we've got some neat stuff going on in the background.

Eda is trying to find out more about Raine's situation & the Day of Unity; while Edric is feeling kind of useless & inadequate. And together, they both help the worldbuilding !

Point n°3 : Through her relationship with Raine & her worries, Eda helps to keep the whole season cohesive. She lets kids be kids, but in almost all episodes keep asking questions regarding Raine's situation : this episode is no exception, and thanks to her we get some new precisions on the Day of Unity !

It also helps the worlbuilding, as last episode did, because the Emperor's Coven has been looking less & less like a monolith. Whereas we could have been tempted to think last season that most people wholeheartedly agreed with Belos, as time pass more & more cracks start to show and even characters from directly under Belos' rule start showing some hesitation.

Reaching Out - Part 3 : Edric, Eda & Worldbuilding
Reaching Out - Part 3 : Edric, Eda & Worldbuilding

Point n°4 : On the other hand, Edric's subplot is (like Darius in last ep) a perfect example of how to develop a secondary character without highjacking other characters screentime ! Through making him work with Eda, the writers have enabled Edric to show off both his capabilities as well as his insecurities while making him fit inside the plot in a fairly natural way, and thus keep the screentime + plot from scattering everywhere. And when your secondary characters get developped, the world thanks you !

Thanks to Reaching Out, we learn how to better differentiate Edric from his twin; and I have hope we will get a similar subplot for Emira later on !

-> When a family isn't working as it should, all members are always affected in some way. So if Amity is bearing the brunt of her mothers' expectations & expected to behave almost perfectly... Edric seems lost as some kind of middle child : treated as a joke by both his sisters (though neither mean ill) and unable to find his place & carve his niche (at least officially) in the family as a result. He is a jokester for sure, but this episode shows clearly that constantly being the brunt of the joke takes his toll like most things do when in excess, and that he isn't good at asserting himself. Edric would love to help & make himself useful, since as of now he has some clear self-esteem issues.

Reaching Out - Part 3 : Edric, Eda & Worldbuilding
Reaching Out - Part 3 : Edric, Eda & Worldbuilding
Reaching Out - Part 3 : Edric, Eda & Worldbuilding

-> Even better : Edric's character and insecurities help the plot, because it ties back perfectly into the problems surrounding Covens & wild magic. Edric is a character who doesn't seem to be an ace or A+ student in Illusion magic, but rather a jack-of-all-trade who knows some stuff from multiple fields of Magic (Beastkeeping, Illusions, Potions) and likes to play with it and invent stuff. However, this kind of pedigree isn't particularly validated in their world's, and even less by Odalia (most likely) which leads him to feel useless or incompetent. Whereas, as Eda says herself, he could have "a great future in wild magic" !

This directly contrasts Amity who, despite knowing Luz & supporting her in everything, firmly centers her interest & future around Abomination magic. Which is just as valid ! Thus showing that over-specialization AND playing around with every field of magic are both perfectly valid way of learning, but one of these stay unorthodox and illegal under Belos' rule.

Reaching Out - Part 3 : Edric, Eda & Worldbuilding
Reaching Out - Part 3 : Edric, Eda & Worldbuilding
Reaching Out - Part 3 : Edric, Eda & Worldbuilding

--> Even outside of his nefarious plans for the Day of Unity, this episode is a great reminder of how Belos' reign has harmed the witches world, and many teenagers are forced to join a Coven when they would be much happier dabbling into several fields, and end up feeling "wrong" or "not good enough" because of the mold they're forced into.

While I- wasn't a big fan of Emira jumping in front of Edric to ask for a T-Shirt as well ;; (sort of stealing his thunder & putting herself in front again) I do not hold it against her.

I hope in the future we'll have a Emira subplot to get a better handle on her character, but as of now it is likely that she suffers from the opposite problem : still a prankster but also stuck in the big sister position, and feeling the need to be the helpful & responsible one and take good care of her siblings if her parents won't. I don't think we have had the same Wild Magic vibe from her as we did Edric's so far however : she uses Healing magic along with her Illusions yes, but this is still very in line with the ''responsible big sister'' energy that she carries and not some for fun/curiosity skill that she would have picked on simply because she wanted to like Edric seem to have.

Being twins & more often than not being together is a double-edged sword : problematic for the both of them, for entirely different reasons. So I hope that Emira will find a place outside of her family as well and if possible an adult to count on ! I don't know if Eda is that person for her, and if joining the Bad Girl Coven is her answer (it'd still put her & Edric right next to each other, so I don't know if that would be my favorite answer personally). But I have full hope we will get our answer in the future !

Final Point : I had to comment on this after seeing some people pick up on it while I didn't but...

-> About Sharing your burdens with other :

The way they handled Luz's difficulty with sharing her problems and fear of being a burden, the details... were all perfect.

The "immediatly trying to downplay the gravity of whatever you're trying to say before even starting". The carefully controlled & matter of fact delivery to hide the wavering of her voice. How ready she is to brush it off in case Amity isn't interested in delving into it. And how what makes her voice crack is the painfully small & almost inconsequential line of "and I don't have any flowers"

Because listen, I don't have Luz's backstory, and my problem doesn't reside so much in distracting myself from my problems as much as it is not being aware of them in the first place. But, and I'm sure many people can agree... I relate to this behaviour very much.

I'm a very positive person in general, I'm fine more often than not & I rarely realize when something is wheighing on me or only after 3 more problems have piled up on top of it. Sharing something wrong or genuinely sad & important feels almost alien : i never know how to even start and nothing feels natural. So I end up automatically saying I'm fine, and then it's kind of too late to get back on the subject isn't it ? But when I do share, or when the bad stuff starts to snowball & I have to acknowledge it, it always starts to crack with one small inconsequential line like this. And that's the case for so many of us !

Because of course the problem isn't just that Luz doesn't have flowers, but that's an issue so... simple and palpable. So concrete.

It's easy to ignore big imposant problems, but the small ones always manage to dig under our skin and make our throats close up like this. It's never the flowers, or the "you didn't talk to me yesterday" or the "my uncle didn't ask anyone what kind of gift i'd like". It's everything that surrounds it, follows it but that you're unable to tackle without first cracking about the small stuff. The voice acting was perfect, and I felt so much for Luz at that moment

Reaching Out - Part 3 : Edric, Eda & Worldbuilding

-> About Grief & Luz's family : and FINALLY, by answering our questions about Luz's dad, this episode helped to broaden Luz's character & make her family seem all that more real. Several time already, The Owl House has jested & rejected the concept of Chosen One : but Luz's dad was still a mystery and some people already imagined that it would be a big plot point. And now we see... it isn't. Or it is, but only in how his death impacted Luz and contributes to developping her character. Because it means back on earth, it really was JUST her & her mother, through no fault of her dad.

At the same time, it does good to Camilla's character. She tried her best, as a lone mother, grieving her husband, trying to be there for Luz. And it makes the end of Yesterday's Lie all that more heartbreaking because her "Did you hate living with me that much ?" takes a whole other subtext with that information in mind. Did she fail ? Did she not manage to be there for her daughter and make up for her dad's passing ? Camilla had a husband and a daughter, she lost one to death and then the other to another world without even knowing it. She had both and then she had neither. She was left alone without even knowing it.

Really, this information & this episode in general did so much for so many character : incredible job here TOH crew.

ALSO I LOVE LUZ'S NEW HAIRSTYLE & I LOVE HER WITH EDA'S JACKET. I HOPE SHE'S GONNA KEEP IT <3 <3

That's it everyone. Nex is out


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3 years ago

Reaching Out - Part 2 : Amity & Alador

Reaching Out - Part 2 : Amity & Alador

Next in my Reaching Out breakdown : this time we learn more about Amity, her hopes for the future, her relationship with Alador, and her brother Edric (for part 3) !

Point n°2 : So what's up with Alador ? Unhealthy family relationships are very complicated, and though in some situations entirely dropping your family members to find yourself people that actually care about you is the best and RIGHT solution... In many cases the situation won't be as easy. Because kids care about their parents, or one of them, or like the idea of a family too much to give it up, or simply because sometimes parents fuck up without really meaning to, or fuck up because they got too busy but weren't actively trying to be malicious, and they can want & try to do better if you confront them about it. It's up to each individual's, and no one ever HAS to forgive anyone; but these things are often full of nuance and different for each individual. I think TOH in this episode striked a great balance on this subject.

-> This episode shows that if Amity has genuine struggles & problems with Odalia and her controlling nature, she has some curiosity and respect for her father. She wants to know him better, she wants to relate, she loves Abominations just like him, she knows he's not just this monolith of an inventor because he was a kid like her who did combat competitions and who (possibly ?) was the better parent before getting too busy with his company : based on anymore in Amity's "You don't listen to us anymore !". She wants to see if there is hope for a relationship here, or for mending one, and I think this ambiguity & messiness is very realistic & (hopefully) relatable to many kids out there.

Reaching Out - Part 2 : Amity & Alador
Reaching Out - Part 2 : Amity & Alador

-> At the same time, Alador clearly is neglectful. Not as bad as Odalia, but he did do wrong by his kids & hurt them by simply standing by and not taking the time to be with them and get to know them as people. Amity isn't interested in suddenly forgetting everything and hugging it out as many kids wouldn't in her situation. Hope & boundaries overlap in a very mature resolution, through Amity refusing her father's hug in favor of a handshake and reminding him that this is good... but only a start. (This can also parallel Amity & Willow "reconciliation" since we have hints here & there that Willow isn't completely over it either.) I hope we will see the effects of this episode on their relationship in the future, and that Alador will try to be better, for Amity's sake, and since it does seem that he loves his kids to some extent... but is shitty at parenting.

Reaching Out - Part 2 : Amity & Alador
Reaching Out - Part 2 : Amity & Alador
Reaching Out - Part 2 : Amity & Alador
Reaching Out - Part 2 : Amity & Alador
Reaching Out - Part 2 : Amity & Alador
Reaching Out - Part 2 : Amity & Alador

In conclusion : a good story line to tackle Amity's relationship with her other parent. We know what to expect from Odalia with what we've seen; but seeing as Alador likes to keep to the background there were some loose ends to focus on & screw tighter. Now we have a better idea of where their relationship is at; and I'm sure we will get hints in the upcoming episodes if Alador does end up working on himself as a parent !

Reaching Out - Part 2 : Amity & Alador

Next part to wrap up this episode by tackling together all the loose ends & subplots !


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3 years ago

Reaching Out breakdown Part 1 : Luz & Amity

Last ep was AMAZING. Best ep of the S2B in my opinion, seeing as the show (so far) has suffered a bit from trying to put 2 plotlines in each episode (I don't hold it against them seeing as Disney is cutting them short), plotlines that weren't always cohesive or could appear to take time from each other. But the last one ?? *chief's kiss*

Reaching Out Breakdown Part 1 : Luz & Amity

To start off : we are still left with 2 plotlines (even more we could say) but as they are all focused in the same place, the overall pacing & the episode itself is way more cohesive and it allows them time to let everyone have their spotlight & development without any frustration. There are even more plotlines than the previous ep and it is still AMAZING. Because let's review, we have :

Luz struggling with the aniversary of her dad's passing + still reeling from the ramifications of not being able to go back home

Amity trying to relate to her dad, fighting for her future and suffering the consequences of Luz's inability to reach out

Eda scheming and attempting to get informations out of the warden Wrath regarding Raine & the Day of Unity

Edric feeling useless, overshadowed & out of place compared to his siblings because of his "jack-of-all-trades" disposition that isn't highly valued by most of the witches world.

Development of Amity's family in general, through making Alador more of a character with his own failings (neglect) different from Odalia's downright abusive and controlling behaviour, and showing more of Edric & Emira's personnalities.

And all of the plotlines went together swimmingly, which I really really loved ! Like, my fav character is probably Hunter, I really liked Any Sport in a Storm, but I can't tell you how much I appreciated Reaching Out. It made me love & care soo much about Luz & Amity all over again.

Point n°1 : The Lumity, and Luz & Amity themselves, were absolutely amazing. I absolutely love these girls' relationships but was personally sorta dissatisfied with their intervention in Any Sport in a Storm... Mostly because I don't really care about the Luzura books and thus this subplot really didn't speak to me. THIS EP THOUGH ? Both of them really shined, as HUMANS with mistakes to their name.

-> Luz, for starter, is an amazing teenager. She's friendly, curious, full of energy & compassion. But it's also refreshing to let her make mistakes & be imperfect : in this episode, she wasn't. She was going through a really hard time, and inadvertently used Amity to distract herself from it even if it meant only ''pretending'' to be doing this for her & inadvertently causing her trouble in the end. The episode acknowledged it, but didn't bash Luz in any way for it. Because we as humans are a complex canvas and wonderful people can make mistakes, can hurt people. And it doesn't make them any wonderful as a package. Luz, in general, has a problem (similar to Eda) with sharing what's bothering her. It's 2 times in a row now that she's failed to share with Amity what was on her mind and brushed her off, and this time really managed to show how hurtful it can be as the other party, even if Luz doesn't have any ill will while doing this. This episode allowed Amity to be upset over Luz (however inadvertent) hurtful actions & how her tendency to run away from her emotions can come back to bite her in the back later.

Luz acknowledged what she did was wrong, that she had reasons but not excuses, she even let herself express some ugly feelings; and she genuinely apologized. She allowed herself to be weak and to share what was bothering HER, all while admitting that her way of coping wasn't healthy or fair to Amity. I loved that, not because I hate Luz but because she's a teenager, she will make mistakes as we all do, and what she did showed an incredible emotional maturity. I am only proud of her <3

Reaching Out Breakdown Part 1 : Luz & Amity
Reaching Out Breakdown Part 1 : Luz & Amity
Reaching Out Breakdown Part 1 : Luz & Amity

-> Amity got another episode to shine again as her own person, to explore her aspirations for the future outside of her realtionship to Luz, and how she felt about her other parent. She was allowed this episode to be disappointed & upset over the turn of event, and to show how Luz's inability to share her problems was hurting her girlfriend (both mentally & in more concrete ways). At the same time, Amity showed incredible care & gentleness because these two love each other and Luz had a damn good reason to be feeling down and out of place. A concept I heard in a Cinema Therapy video is called "putting it on a shelf" : it occurs when (in any kind of relationships) both people have something they want to do or say, or both have an issue; but one of said things/issues is way more important at the present time and so you put "on hiatus" your own situation to properly take care of the other. Amity this episode made a great use of this concept, and showed herself to truly be an "Awesome Girlfriend".

Amity listening intently to Luz and dropping the judgment as soon as her girlfriend opened up, as well as taking the time to reassure her that she LISTENED, she HEARD and she definitely CARED for what she was going through was an absolutely amazing show of love; and I appreciated that so so much.

Reaching Out Breakdown Part 1 : Luz & Amity
Reaching Out Breakdown Part 1 : Luz & Amity
Reaching Out Breakdown Part 1 : Luz & Amity
Reaching Out Breakdown Part 1 : Luz & Amity
Reaching Out Breakdown Part 1 : Luz & Amity
Reaching Out Breakdown Part 1 : Luz & Amity

In conclusion : an incredible Lumity episode, that doesn't hesitate to tackle some very real issues with honesty but kindness. These girls are still growing, they're bound to make mistakes. But so long as they care about each other and vow to do better : they will be okay.

Part 2 with the other plotlines incoming !


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3 years ago
James Shook His Head. Stubborn Idiot. “It Doesn’t Matter, Qrow,” He Croaked, Gaze Still So Heavy,

James shook his head. Stubborn idiot. “It doesn’t matter, Qrow,” he croaked, gaze still so heavy, so far away. “It doesn’t matter what happens to me.” Qrow hated how sincere it sounded, how completely he knew James believed it; had always believed it. Even now, there wasn’t so much as a crack in that conviction. Qrow swallowed the bitterness that rose in his throat and risked leaning over a little more, trying to catch James’ eye. “It matters to me.” Soft. Slow. Deliberate. It worked. For the first time since he’d set his weapon down, James looked at him. Qrow tried not to take the surprise personally; he hadn’t exactly made much of an effort to prove it, recently. He continued before he lost the opening. “You’re not some necessary sacrifice in all this, James. You never have been.”

Just finished a fuck of a fourth year of University, so I decided to give myself a late night to draw something completely unrelated to my studies or current projects. The fic is called “waiting for the dawn” and is stuck in the purgatory of my AO3 drafts.


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3 years ago
digital drawing of toph and zuko, drawn from the waist up. zuko is blowing colorful fire inside a ball of glass while toph looks at him with her arms crossed
drawing of toph and zuko, toph is smiling and using earthbending to sculpt a ball of molten glass floating midair, that is being heated up by zuko
toph and zuko are smiling confidently and fistbumping, above them floats a finished glass statue of momo, surrounded by sparkles

what if during their life changing field trip toph and zuko picked up a new chill hobby

3 years ago

Pallet requests again, sweet! Clearly Yang in Baked Alaska is needed

Pallet Requests Again, Sweet! Clearly Yang In Baked Alaska Is Needed

She pissed


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3 years ago

Pyrrha in gingersnaps? 🙏🙏

Pyrrha In Gingersnaps? 🙏🙏

A warm palette for a warm girl


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3 years ago

May we see more of your OCs,,,

I think the foxsea palette could be really pretty

May We See More Of Your OCs,,,

OH MY GOODNESS MORE OCS ;-;

This is Anita


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3 years ago

Ooo could I request Cinder in the fallen petals palette?

Ooo Could I Request Cinder In The Fallen Petals Palette?

Dang she is fun to draw


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3 years ago

Emerald! In! Emercury!

Emerald! In! Emercury!

@sadiemacoy wanted to see a video, so I did my best lol


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3 years ago

Wanted to say, I love your palette concept !! I love seeing people reblog them on my dash. It's very neat. I propose... Mercury in Rosebird ?? If you like the idea !

Wanted To Say, I Love Your Palette Concept !! I Love Seeing People Reblog Them On My Dash. It's Very

Awww thanks, I’m glad you like the palettes! It took me like a million years to make them all, so it really means a lot :]

Here’s a troubled boy


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3 years ago

Massive reblogs pilot-boy RWBY palettes art incoming ! Get ready everyone. I will tag for more clarity


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3 years ago

It's international asexuality day so you know what, let's make this "get to know me day". I will be pinning this

It's International Asexuality Day So You Know What, Let's Make This "get To Know Me Day". I Will Be Pinning

You can call me Nex, or invent whatver nickname crosses your mind if we chat once in a while. I'm french, a medicine student, and your average aro/ace nb ! This blog is just my playground. I reblog things I like very very much but otherwise mostly posts my own thoughts once in a blue moon.

I love associating songs to characters, ships, making up AMV in my little mind but not knowing how to create them, sharing thoughts with others & making little template memes I also love my DnD OCs very much, so if anyone would be interested in knowing more about them don't hesitate to ask or just tell me !

Take a short list of the stuff I'm into, and if we have anything in common feel free to chat or ask for memes, headcannons, playlists or thoughts or anything else concerning these things !

D&D, roleplay, my OCs

Cartoons : RWBY, The Owl House, She-Ra, Dragon Prince, A:TLA

Manga/anime : Fruits Basket, D Gray Man, Pandora Hearts/The Case Study of Vanitas, lots of others

Games : Genshin Impact, Fire Emblem:Three Houses, Detroit: Become Human

TV shows : Arcane, Doctor Who (12th Dr & Clara my beloved)

Webtoons : Omniscient Reader, Trash of the Count's family, I Love Yoo, Stray Souls, Castle Swimmer...

MUSICALS

Typology, more particularly Enneagram.

I have no tolerance for TERFs, Racism, those who contribute to the stigmatization of mental health issues/disorders & Ableists, Transphobes and Aphobes. If you ever feel like bringing up any of this stuff on my blog, save us both the time & just don't.

I do not bite and I'm always open for conversations so if someone wants to chat in PM or comment under my posts or reblogs & chat through Tags : GO AHEAD. I'll be delighted. Good day to you all. Every single one of you is incredible and bringing something to the world every day just by being there. Stay strong !

It's International Asexuality Day So You Know What, Let's Make This "get To Know Me Day". I Will Be Pinning

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3 years ago

don't hate it we love it

Art Sucks I Hate It
Art Sucks I Hate It
Art Sucks I Hate It
Art Sucks I Hate It
Art Sucks I Hate It
Art Sucks I Hate It
Art Sucks I Hate It

art sucks i hate it

3 years ago
My Conclusion After Seeing TOH Ep13 : Hunter Is My Son And I Am Ready To Throw Hands With Belos Darius

My conclusion after seeing TOH ep13 : Hunter is my son and I am ready to throw hands with Belos Darius I'm watching you Willow you're a gift to witchkind sweetheart


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3 years ago

There are no words to describe how much I love this I WANT MORE

@dissonantharmony (grabs Your Legs As You Scream) So Remember The Apathy-

@dissonantharmony (grabs your legs as you scream) so remember the apathy-


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3 years ago

I don't really care about the whole "japanese anime RWBY" announcement but I'm really confused about the designs ??

And why is Weiss just Esdeath from Akame ga Kill

I Don't Really Care About The Whole "japanese Anime RWBY" Announcement But I'm Really Confused About

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3 years ago

^^^

You've already got most of the fandom agreeing with you anon, just go literally anywhere else and leave people alone

Or better yet, have the mindblowing realization that people are not hiveminds and sometimes they will (shocker) disagree with you.

You have a nice day that doesn't consist on trying to impose your OPINION (you know the difference with fact) unto OP.

Anyway *I* think OP is right and they should say it. :) I also think what happened to Penny's character in V8 was pretty shitty. And I think pulling out of nowhere medical opinion on the state of his arm when nobody knows what happened just to justify that ''well actually he was just too impatient and he's a monster for replacing his arm so easily" is shitty. Because that's not canon remember, that's just someone's headcanon Have a good day. Go discuss with people who agree with you, there are plenty of them and you'll be way happier

Anyway there was nothing ableist about Ironwood. Have a nice day.

Have a good day too hon.

Maybe go outside and enjoy yourself instead of harassing people in their inboxes, I promise it’ll make you a lot happier <3

3 years ago

Oh my god, I need to listen closer but

I was studying to the Oh Hellos (Zephyrus) album and Soap went on and I love that song but just then it striked me that IT COULD BE A GREAT SHIP SONG FOR VI x CAITLYN TF

There's so much stuff that striked me !! "I've heard since I was younger that oil and water don't mix; They're polar opposites with a molecular rift you can't fix" ??? "It's gonna hurt like hell but we're gonna be well, I'll give you my best shot" and the double entendre with Caitlyn being a sniper & starting to get closer to Vi after shooting Sevika to save her ??

And JUST

I think that you're worth keeping around I think you're worth holding onto

Oh My God, I Need To Listen Closer But

SO MUCH THERE'S SO MUCH THAT FITS I'M AAAA

I need to make a longer post about this I elgbhglbgl *braintrots going strong*

I'M NOT EVEN AN AVID VI x CAITLYN SHIPPER (tho I def think they're cute) BUT IT JUST FITS THEM SO WELL I LOVE IT FOR THEM


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