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Law and Order Organized Crime Season 5 episode 7 thoughts

That was quite some opening. At least I was prepared for the explosion, thanks to promos and trailers. 

Elliot definitely seems to be having some sort of PTSD. He should not be living alone! 

When his gaze rested on the bin/trash can with the doll dressed in a police uniform used to prank/haze Eli felt very symbolic and significant as a metaphor for Eli’s very brief police career ( I really can’t see him continuing in that career whatever the outcome to the investigation following the shooting is, and my gut is telling me it’s going to be bad).

He’s such a good dad, bringing Eli and Becky breakfast and helping out however he can, unlike Eli, who just seems totally out of it and doesn’t seem to be helping with household chores, the baby or anything that is important to Becky. He was also really rude to his dad, barely said hello to him and was dismissive ( « We’re not using that ») regarding all the baby things Bernie used with Elliot and his siblings. There were so many other ways he could have said he didn’t like/want it ( « Say thanks to Grandma, but we already have one/I don’t think it will match the colour scheme or theme for the nursery »). 

Nice little callback to Elliot watching the news of the explosion that nearly killed him a couple of eps ago and Eli standing the exact same way. 

Towards the end of the episode, when Elliot was holding baby Owen, I got flashbacks to S9 of SVU, Paternity, when Elliot holds baby Eli ( who also has a blue hat and a white/cream blanket round him), which was a sweet parallel. 

Also, dude, stop pushing your dad ( that you allegedly love) away. He’s trying to help you! 

Not a fan of the new baby’s name, as it reminds me of a character I really cannot stand on Grey’s Anatomy, especially as he shares a surname with Eli’s FTO, who is equally awful!

He should be recommending therapists/counselors to Eli, not dragging him out to get completely drunk ( also, how is Eli 21? I had him at 20 tops!), Also blowing off dinner with Becky’s parents is just immature and rude. I did love seeing Protectelliot/Papa Bear Elliot chew Hunt out for what he did, though I’m not sure Eli deserved to be defended as he was really bratty to his dad. 

I get that Eli is probably depressed/has PTSD/is traumatised by what he went through, but he has so much love and support to help him get through it. Becky saying she wants her soft and sensitive/kind and gentle boyfriend back was very telling, as those are not words I would use to describe a member of the police force! 

Poor Becky, at least she has Elliot to confide in, but he had so much going on already:worrying about his mum, Randall’s actions ( we have to get that convo next episode, it’s going to be explosive! I think Vargas will get some of the heat too.), his deep concern about Eli and his own health issues are not conducive to s happy, healthy Elliot. 

I did love that he referred to Randall as « his Randall » which felt very protective and big brotherly of him, though he is the younger brother. 

And I think Bernie actually saw Joe Jr, as usually when she has her memory lapses, she seems to ignore the other people’s response but this seemed like a real conversation, 

Elliot had spent so long being the reliable, responsible son and father that I understand why Bernie suggests Joe Jr seek him out, but Elliot really needs a break from fixing everyone’s problems!

I liked seeing more of Vargas, but really missed Bell and Reyes ( did he go to Italy with her?).

The actual crimes are not what I watch the show for, can you tell?

Ideas for Eli and Becky’s son’s name on Law and Order Organized Crime

Seeing as how we don’t yet have a name for Eli and Becky’s baby on Law and Order Organized Crime, and the next two episodes seem to be stand alones in which Nicky Torchia ( who plays Eli)  does not feature, it sounds like we might have to wait a little longer to find out what it is. I would be interested in hearing everyone’s ideas/suggestions.

I think they might use Elliot as a middle name, then maybe something Irish ( like Maureen and Carl’s boys, Killian/Kieran and Seámus), from the Bible or just a bit old fashioned/traditional. 

So maybe Aiden, Jonah/James/Nathaniel ( I think Noah Stabler sounds so good, but that is Olivia’s kid’s name) or Jack, Oliver, Sebastian… Not sure about S names as they could be a bit much with Stabler as a surname.

We know nothing about Becky’s family, but it seems like they aren’t supportive of her current choices but maybe that’s not the case and the name will be from her side of the family.

Of course, they could honour nobody and go for a modern name with a made up/illogical spelling, but I hope they don’t do that! 

Or maybe the upcoming episode will give us a name reveal, which would be great!

Becky confiding in Elliot.

Building a Home, my SVU AU ideas/general plot

Elliot Stabler is an architect with his own firm. Does lots of projects to build schools, hospitals etc for the less well-off/the local community. He was travelling and doing that in other countries before, then decided he could also make a difference at home, wants to meet someone and settle down, have a family snd be an involved/present dad and he really missed his family.

Big, loving Irish family: siblings Shannon and Dee, Randall, Benjamin ( deceased after fighting in the armed forces) then there’s Elliot after a big gap and another big gap before Joe Jr. Dad Joe is a cop and basically parents like Elliot does, and Bernie teaches art at school and to adults/the elderly. Her bipolar is spotted early on and she goes on medicine that works for her and is supported by her kids and husband. His sisters and older brothers all have kids from more or less good relationships. One is  Aisling, she’s a young adult who interns/works for her Uncle El ( answers the phone, makes appointments, opens mail).

Olivia is paired with Munch and they have to investigate a crime, one of Elliot’s former employees/clients is involved/the victim so they talk to him. Aisling calls him Mr Stabler at work, keeps things very professional but later Liv and Munch go through his texts/e-mails and/or see him having dinner with his niece, they see them laughing/hugging/using her first name or an endearment like honey or sweetheart/he kisses her cheek so they think he’s dodgy. After some questioning, he is found innocent and Olivia offers to take him out for a drink as an apology ( they both had major heart eyes for the other when they met), which turns into dinner then dating. 

They get pregnant fairly quickly but Olivia miscarries. They call the baby Aidan Michael. 

They get married as Olivia rises through the ranks, and go on to have Charlotte Olivia, Sophia or Stella Bernadette, twins Matthew Joseph ( Mattie) and Margaret Joy ( Maggie) followed by an anniversary celebration « oops baby » called Elinor Grace. They could also adopt Calvin and/or Noah. 

Olivia makes Captain and Elliot mostly works from home and has some help from his parents/family/a nanny. 

Liv’s partners all stay in touch with her and are honorary aunts and uncles. Elliot becomes great friends with Carisi. 

Bernie worries about Eli being a cop.

Bernie breaking Elliot's heart.

Bernie, Randall & Elliot all being at the hospital before Eli is great, even though he does have a good reason.

And another Grandson for Elliot but as yet unnamed. There's a little jeopardy with the baby being premature and Elliot mentioning that it's not ideal.

But we can't have nice things on this show and just as we have this nice moment of the family coming together and enjoying the new addition, we have Bernie mistaking Elliot for his Dad and the pain of that hitting Elliot.

Give this guy a break, please!

Sgt Hunt talking to Eli before his IAB investigation and coaching him on what to say while at the same time how he's proud of him is come gross manipulation.

When he makes sure Eli knows to say that he identified himself when we all know he didn't. Ugh!

Also, Eli being just like his Dad and ignoring phone calls, even when he's told he can answer them and he sees it's Becky.

Eli asking why IAB guy is asking about his Father, much liek Elliot did when they first met one another and he kept talking about Joe Snr. Neither of the Stabler's want to be likened to their Dad especially (although with Eli, not in a bad way).

Also, IAB guy being all shocked his investigating a shooting, like dude, it's your job. I'm sure you've investigated people in the same family before. Cops seem to shoot people all the damn time. My current theory is he and Hunt are buds.

IAB guys mentions Eli and his wife, and he doesn't correct him. Compared to Elliot who instantly corrected the shrink last week when she called Becky Eli's wife.

If there are already 'several eye witness reports' saying Pietro was lowering his weapon, I really don't see how Eli gets away with his job here.

Eli looked horrified about going before a grand jury. And it'll be interesting how he's psychiatric appointment might go.

Also, it was nice having the juxtaposition between Eli's IAB interview and Elliot with Isabella as she identifies Pietro's body.

A slightly overdue scene between Elliot & Eli.

Elliot telling Eli about how to be a cop and a father in one conversation and every reply Eli gives him is appropriate for both is a lovely moment, but while Elliot is clearly trying to tell him about how scary the IAB stuff can be without saying it because he's not allowed to, I'm not sure Eli is quite getting it.

The scene where he tells Elliot he can go and that he's got this is bittersweet. He's trying to be a man and stand on his own two feet but Elliot looks a little deflated in that moment.

Aw Becky, maybe the saviour of the episode.

Not that it's a bad episode and it needed saving but this conversation *finally* happening.

I like how Becky says Elliot looks well rested after what had happened and he just makes a non-commital 'mm' noise. I think this man can survive on miminal sleep by this point.

Her little pat on the bed to make his sit down beside her. It's adorable. And it shows a sweet side to Becky who has had so little to do so far.

Becky letting Elliot into some secrets between her and Eli, things that he's not been able to speak to his Dad about. His obligation to become a cop. Her telling Elliot he really loves him and he doesn't want to disappoint him.

Admitting to him how scared she is and Elliot telling her to breath, a nice callback to when Bernie talked about her fear of being a cops wife in episode 2. How El just hugs her to reassure her.

The release from confessing all of this to him.

I used to be mad about "whole language" reading approaches in theory but now I work with school-age kids and I am mad about it in practice.

Fic hunting

Hi,

Does anyone have any links to fics about Law and Order Organized Crime, which follow the feelings/thoughts/relationship between Eli and Elliot after the end of the latest episode?

Or just fics that explore their relationship throughout the series. I’d love to know what Eli’s motivations were for joining the police force, as, since S1, he has been annoyed/upset by his dad always having to leave for work or answer the phone during family events, not seeing him for weeks on end when he is undercover and really not seeming to understand just how much danger his dad is in when he is on the job.

I actually think S1 Eli ( aged about 15-ish) was more patient/understanding about his dad’s job than he was at the end of S4! Also seeing Elliot’s thought process/feelings about the whole thing would be interesting, as he loves his son and wants to support him but does,’t want him to get injured ( or worse) and I think he was pretty hurt that Eli didn’t confide in him about dropping out of college, expecting a baby and signing up to the police force.

There must be some fics out there, I just haven’t found them yet!

Organized Crime Ep 1 Sneak Peek

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Eli's NYPD Graduation Photo

Finally, a good shot of Stabler's desk and as suspected, it is his personal family images on the desk with Chris' wife Sherman and kids Sophia and Dante.

Also, looks like a picture from a magazine of Meloni & Hargitay going in for a kiss while filming, like they mess about and do often. lol!

One of my favourite scenes from Organized Crime from series 2, The Christmas Episode.

When Elliot goes to get Eli and take him home, the doctor wants a word with Elliot. He is reluctant to listen at first but Liv, who has accompanied him for support, calms him and gets him to listen.

The doctor talks about Eli's upset about his possible involvement in Mia's death but says he was just as upset and maybe more frightened how his father would react.

Elliot takes a second to process this before asking if this means Eli is afraid of him. The doctor clarifies that no, Eli is not afraid of him, but for him.

As Elliot reacts to this, there's a beautiful shot of both him and Mariska, before reacting to what was said. Elliot struggling to contain his emotions and Liv unsure what to do to support him. She steps back, behind Elliot as he goes to collect Eli and as he's moved away from her, she puts her hand to her chest.

Elliot goes and embraces him son, realising just how much he is going through himself and tells him 'Let's go home'. Olivia watches from outside, still affected by it all. Elliot wipes at his eyes as they leave and Liv walks side by side with Elliot as they head home.

Series 5, episode 3. Elliot's goodbye to Jet.

I can't express enough how right they got this for Elliot's character. He stays at HQ because he knows her. He knows he'd do the same thing, come back when everyone would be gathering for your send off drinks and get your stuff alone. But he won't let her do that, after hiding herself away for the last couple of weeks.

He wants her to know that he cares about her, that he'll miss her and that's all he really needs to say in this scene. It's just enough of what Elliot would give. He wouldn't make it overly emotional but he'd want her to know she's valued and she meant something to him. And the tiny moment of levity to cut the emotion of the moment when they hug. He doesn't want her to cry or get upset. He just wants her to know. He doesn't find it easy to get the words out but he knows he needs to do it.

Jet probably saw some of the worst days of Elliot's life in the aftermath of Kathy's death. And she became part of that little family they forged together in OCCB. Losing her is a huge loss to the show because it was so nice to have her and Bell there as part of the original team. But, the ever change crew on this show makes the loss a little easier. We've gone through a lot of others working for the team and I'm glad that they gave Jet a really good reason and purpose to go. Although it's never shown on screen, I imagine that Elliot would be so proud of the work she's doing for the FBI and accounting for the murdered women, making them a priority. It's the same sort of dedication and passion that he has for his work.

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Eli breaks some news to the family.

Bernie's not the only one with magical powers..... well, I guess he's just a Detective through and through.

Elliot calling Eli and leaving a voicemail teling him how proud he is of him and that he loves him.

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SVU Season 10 thoughts

The first few episodes of this Season are just excellent!

Swing is one of those episodes I could rewatch on a loop and not be bored of it and it’s great that it is followed by Lunacy, so we get to see Elliot as worried/concerned/angry dad and then his more fun, playful side with Kathleen and then Dickie. He is still super protective of them both!

We also get some info for the timeline, for those of you that are working on it (@ocstabler). Bernie says she was married to Joe Sr for 27 years, and, in OC, I figured out that Elliot is in his mid 20’s ( about 25) when he makes second detective and says he celebrated by bringing two beers and a sandwich to his father’s grave, so if he’d just died, Elliot was born after his parents had been married for 2 years or so, making him the first or second child, unless Joe and Bernie were forced to get married due to a teen pregnancy ( like Kathy and Elliot did). I think Randall is directly acknowledged as the eldest child/brother, though when he leaves home, aged 16,  he joins Shannon/Sharon and Dee who are already in Florida, which would suggest they are older.

Regarding Swing, I love that Bernie and Elliot’s similarities are showcased , as they both need to go outside to get some air when they get stressed/upset, and they both clearly love each other deeply. Elliot tells her he has always needed her and she tells Olivia that she tried to be a good mother.

Their differences are shown too, especially through wardrobe: she is wearing loose, comfortable clothes in fun colours ( a flowy yellow jacket and matching scarf/wrap and wide legged trousers) whereas he is in a shirt and tie, in plain, dark colours. Obviously, he’s dressed for work, but he could have taken 5 minutes to change into more casual clothes.

It’s also super interesting to see them both recount their version of the same event which differ so wildly. When Bernie is talking about running off to Paris when he was 10 or going to see Georgia O’Keefe, dressed in her nightgown, I think he is reminded of that when Kathleen runs up to him and wants him to swing with her. 

When Bernie is talking to Kathleen, she cups her face, just like Elliot often does when comforting/reassuring his kids. 

Bernie talking about how she was treated in hospital is just heart-breaking, I totally understand why she didn’t want to be on medication, but the fact that she was in a catatonic state for months at a time has definitely caused Elliot pain/resentment and made him go completely the other way with his kids.

Lunacy is such a great episode, as we get to learn some more about Elliot’s past and see his lovely relationship with Dickie. They’re very comfortable with each other and seem to have a very easy, teasing yet affectionate relationship. It’s a shame that Dickie’s namesake turns out to be a total douche canoe, but it’s a good episode with quite a few twists and turns/red herrings. 

Even episode 2 has the photo of Lizzie, so she kind of features in an episode, for once. It would have been lovely to somehow include her in the episode, maybe a scene with Elliot as he is trying to figure out how the guy found a picture of Lizzie online…

SVU Season 9 overview

I am currently rewatching Season 9.

The Season premiere is fantastic, it is up there as one of my favourite episodes regarding the crime committed/the perpetrator. 

Cynthia Nixon is just incredible! All her different personalities are so distinct and she switches between them so seamlessly. 

The car crash in Paternity still makes me gasp every single time and that first hug between Elliot and Olivia just encapsulates their relationship perfectly, how they can communicate everything they need to tell each other without saying a word. I still think Oliver should have been used somewhere in Eli’s name, to honour Olivia’s role in saving both Kathy and Eli’s lives! 

The actual crime investigation in Paternity is also so sad. The non-biological father ( but Tommy’s real dad in terms of care and love provided) breaks my heart. Tommy is such a cute little boy, and it’s adorable to see Elliot with him. 

After Eli is born, Elliot seems to spend even more time at work, if that is possible! Several times it is mentioned that they’ve been working on a case for a couple of days, that it’s the early hours of the morning and they are questioning suspects, looking through footage… 

I also watch OC, so I think this needs to come up in conversation between Elliot and Eli, as Eli wants to become a cop and Elliot is not a fan. 

Eli and his girlfriend are also expecting a baby, and they are no more than 20 ( second year of college, I think). 

I had forgotten how little Elliot sees of his family. I knew he worked hard and occasionally spent a few days on a case without any/many breaks, but this is just constant, and there are probably lots of overlapping cases too. 

I am frankly surprised Kathy stayed married to Elliot, as in Season 10 she is ready to leave him again, when he yet again goes undercover and doesn’t warn her, leaving Olivia to come over and explain things to her. 

The Robin Williams episode is brilliant, another favourite and at first I thought « Oh, that sounds just like Robin Williams, they’ve found an actor who is just as good at mimicking voices… Oh, hang on, it is Robin Williams! ». I love that they left the ending unresolved so he could have come back at some point. 

I love Casey Novak, she is one of my favourite ADA’s. I find her mindset very similar to Elliot’s, and they have this big brother-little sister dynamic that I find very interesting. 

Thoughts on SVU Season 7 finale and Season 9 premiere

Just watched this episode and there are so many parallels to Swing.

We have Jamie, a pretty blonde and blue eyed girl who seems to come from a loving and supportive family start becoming over sexualised, she gets into a car accident and isn’t doing well at school whenever/since she has been off her med for bipolar/schizophrenia, 

It’s also mentioned that she has sudden moodswings ( outbursts of anger that come out of nowhere).

Throughout the past season and the next two and a bit, we’ll see or have seen Kathleen demonstrate all of these traits/sumptoms.

The guru that Jamie is following, who is advocating for no more medication cannot be more than 50, and I think his parents sent him to the psychiatric hospital when he was 14/15, which would mean it took place in the late 70’s or maybe early 80’s. 

We know Bernie went to one of those when Elliot was young, probably when he was 8, when she threatened to shoot Elliot and Joe Sr at the beach and maybe again when Elliot was 10 and she wanted to run away to Paris. So that is what she was most likely subjected to, possibly even worse, as it would have been during the early to mid 70’s. I completely understand both the guru and Bernie’s aversion to drugs. Even Jamie mentions the meds left her feeling like a zombie, and this would be in the early 2000’s!

We also get Casey’s heart-breaking story about her fiançé. Her guilt is so palpable ( and kind of parallels Elliot’s, as neither of them saw it coming). Charlie’s fate could so easily have been Kathleen’s as it is implied that Charlie is probably dead from drug overdose. 

Munch is super critical of mental health medication, saying there is a pill for everything nowadays and whatever happened to just having a bad day, which Elliot basically agrees with. 

There is definitely a comment about sometimes the signs being hard to spot they show up in a loved one ( the exact quote references home, I think). 

Jamie is also forced to stay at the psych hospital to be medicated, just like Kathleen is. 

Even in the Season 9 premiere, we see Elliot really struggle to get his head around multiple personality disorder. 

SVU Season 6 episode thoughts

Since Netflix will be removing Law and Order SVU in a couple of week, I decided to have a rewatch. The only Seasons available are 6,7,9,10 and 11, so I started with S6 and it is still one of my favourites to date!

In one of the episodes, there are a couple of junkies, who I think are married. The husband’s mum lived with them, she is called Jenny, and is seemingly being abused by her son and his wife. 

Stabler is the only one who seems to pick up on this and gets really protective of her, more so than he would normally, at least to my eyes.

We know Joe St was physically and verbally abusive to his kids ( multiple examples in OC and in S7 Ripped) and, in OC, it is revealed that he physically and verbally abused Bernie every single day they were married. This comes as a surprise to Elliot, but I think that this episode shows that he subconsciously knew his mother was being abused by his father, although maybe not the full extent of it .

I think this is one of the main reasons he wants to be a cop: so he can help/save people ( especially women and kids) from abusers like his dad.

Season 6 is so hard-hitting for Elliot, as the brilliant @ocstabler worked out, a lot of the really bad cases this Season have a lot of overlap: the one with Abraham the cult leader, who is marrying pre-teens and getting them pregnant, Contagious with Holly who has been sexually abused by someone in the community, then I think there is a missing child case too. This is when Kathy leaves Elliot too, so I think he is thinking about his family a lot, even more than usual. 

hello my fellow hufflepuff 💛 i’m here to give you those d9 thoughts! i love yapping abt them so thanks for giving me the chance!

i agree!! they should absolutely be stronger contenders than what were shown. they should at least be on par with 11 since they’re similar industries. the only thing i can think of it a difference in culture, maybe? the people on 9 tend to be more adverse to violence and sort of…accept their fate?

i do think it’s a big district land wise and things are probably pretty spread out due to the farmland! population wise, i think you could make an argument that it’s big due to the industry being similar to 11. however, i actually lean towards it being one of the smaller districts.

i think that because of the location of district 9- based on the map of panem we have, district 9 would be in nebraska & the dakotas (though i think the majority is more nebraska). the dakotas are both in the list of the 10 least populated states and nebraska isn’t that far behind.

do you have any thoughts on 9?

I would be inclined to agree with you, that it is a big District in size but not very populated. Bigger than 12, for sure. They are also not as poor as D12. If each District is assigned a colour that stays the same every year for their tributes, I think 9’s colour would be yellow. I also think 9 fly under the radar a bit, they are generally hard-working and don’t cause trouble. I think the food-based Districts have to meet certain quotas so I think as long as they are made, they get fairly well fed. Maybe they have harvest festivals with necklaces and bracelets made from wheat stalks and adorned with salt dough flowers and have songs and dances they perform then.

Sunrise on The Reaping thoughts ( tried to not spoil anything)

Well, I read it in 6 hours, give or take! 

It was really gripping, the characters were all really distinct and relatable in some way. Some of them were really surprising and there were some neat parallels to other Games and characters in them.

So much bird, flower and snake imagery, it was a bit much at times.

Haymitch’s Reaping ceremony was brutal, not at all what I expected, but very fitting for his character. 

All the nods to other characters throughout the series was fun, though maybe a little overdone.

I liked the full-circle aspect of the plot and the character connections.

The mentor situation played out in the opposite way that I thought it would, and I thought it was a bit unlikely/unrealistic, but maybe it was just because it was a Quarter Quell that it happened like it did.

It was interesting to see the evolution of the Games since TBOSAS, and I felt some of the events from that were mirrored/echoed in this book. 

I will elaborate more once more people have finished it and don’t want to avoid spoilers. 

But overall, it was a great read and I think it will make a fantastic film.

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Hope this helps someone and they can get out of there as soon as possible.

hey so protip if you have abusive parents and need to get around the house as quietly as possible, stay close to furniture and other heavy stuff because the floor is settled there and it’s less likely to creak