Do You Ever Just Think About The Fact That No One Talks About How Grrm Plagarised Another Series To Create

do you ever just think about the fact that no one talks about how grrm plagarised another series to create asoiaf but has never commented on it despite the fact that george basically pulled quotes directly from it and didnt even bother changing the names sometimes

Is this the song of ice and fire?

Here’s the thing, this is not a meta to defend or criticize anyone.

I am just a fan who loves theories and has been puzzled by this ever since I started reading the books again, and noticed a few things that puzzled me even harder than the first time I read it.

In the books there is a character we do not have in the show, one I believe is very important to understand the prophecy of the Prince That Was Promised: The Ghost of High Heart.

What actually happened to change Rhaegar Targaryen, from the book nerd he was to become such a fine warrior? How did he find out about the prophecy? Why did he dedicate his life to it?

One can say he found out about it by reading, since he loved reading so much, but did he? Using my knowledge from previous histories such as Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and many others, prophecies are strong things but never really certain. Or, looking at it from a different point of view, the prophecy was always right, but he who say it or reproduced it, did not know the right way to interpret it.

Melisandre thought Stannis was Azhor Ahai reborn. Kinvara thinks it’s Daenerys, and after all mayhem the Red Witch created, she starts to believe it is Jon Snow. At some point, we are made to believe it can be both Jon Snow AND Daenerys Targaryen.

What does this have to do with Rhaegar?

Rhaegar was born during the Tragedy at Summerhall, Arstan Whitebeard tells Daenerys he always had a melancholy vibe to him, for he was “born in grief”.

King Aegon V tried to hatch seven dragon eggs at Summerhall, and that caused the death of many from his House, the burning of one of the Targaryen Castles and the birth of Rhaegar. Amongst the dead are alleged to be: Prince Duncan and his wife Jenny of Oldstones, her beloved friend, the Woods witch.

THIS WOODS WITCH is important, keep her in mind.

She was an albino woman, said to be a descendent from the Children of The Forest, very good friends with Prince Duncan’s wife. She prophesized that The Prince That Was Promised would be born from the descending line of Aerys II and Rhaella Targaryen.

After the Tragedy, they all assume she’s dead, same as everyone. But then later in the history, we get to meet a character, also not in the show, but very mysterious and interesting, known as ‘The Ghost of High Heart’.

She lives in Harrenhal, and she is called a Ghost for she is an albino with red eyes, but she is believed to be alive. She is also a dwarf, tiny and very old; EVEN OLDER THAN OLD NAN, everyone. If she, like I believe, the same person as Jenny’s Woods Witch, to be a dwarf would make sense with her descendence from the Children of The Forest; Red eyes from the fire from Summerhall, or even the same descendence, for Leaf says ever rarely they were born with red eyes; and she as albina as the previous woman was. Oh, being described as such an old woman also fits the role, Rhaegar was born at the day of the Tragedy, Rhaegar was 24 when he died, and the history starts what? 14 years after the Rebellion? So, we see her at least 38 years after the Tragedy, plus she was already old at the time…Ohhhh, not to forget the main thing about her: whenever she is asked a prophecy, she demands a song. Which one? Jenny’s Song.

THAT’S WHERE RHAEGAR COMES IN.

Rhaegar was said to go to the ruins of Summerhall a lot, to play his harp and to be alone with his thoughts and books. It would make sense for him to meet her there, would it not? It would make sense for him, the known musician and singer, to write a song. Jenny’s Song?

The point here is, if they are the same person, he had the person who gave the prophecy of the promised prince at his disposal to talk and befriend, whenever he visited Summerhall’s ruins. He could ask her all he needed, find out all he had to. But broken hearted for losing her Jenny, perhaps she asked something in return? Perhaps a song?

We do not know the full lyrics of the song, but what we know is:

“High in the halls of the kings who are gone, Jenny would dance with her ghosts.” — Jenny’s Song

This is the only known lyrics, for some reason GEORGE DOESN’T GIVE US ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SONG THAT IS SO IMPORTANT TO THIS WITCH THAT GIVES AWAY SO MANY PROPHECIES (I can make a post on the prophecies the witch gives that we know come true, such as Balon’s death and more).

We do get affirmation of her grieving Summerhall, through her conversation with Arya Stark:

The dwarf woman studied her with dim red eyes. “I see you,” she whispered. “I see you, wolf child. Blood child. I thought it was the lord who smelled of death . . .” She began to sob, her little body shaking. “You are cruel to come to my hill, cruel. I gorged on grief at Summerhall, I need none of yours. Begone from here, dark heart. Begone!” — ARYA VII, A STORM OF SWORDS

She would have been the perfect source of prophecy for The Prince of Dragonstone to go to, when needing answers, would she not?

Rhaegar exchanged letters with Maester Aemon, discussed theories and all we know is that at some point in his life, he believed himself to be said Prince. But then, he started believing he was mistaken, that such Prince would come from his line and that he had to have three children.

Dany had a vision of him and Elia, speaking of Aegon, their second child, and how he was PROMISED, and he ALREADY HAD A SONG:

“Viserys, was her first thought the next time she paused, but a second glance told her otherwise. The man had her brother’s hair, but he was taller, and his eyes were a dark indigo rather than lilac. “Aegon,” he said to a woman nursing a newborn babe in a great wooden bed. “What better name for a king?” “Will you make a song for him?” the woman asked. “He has a song,” the man replied. “He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.” He looked up when he said it and his eyes met Dany’s, and it seemed as if he saw her standing there beyond the door. “There must be one more,” he said, though whether he was speaking to her or the woman in the bed she could not say. “The dragon has three heads.” He went to the window seat, picked up a harp, and ran his fingers lightly over its silvery strings. Sweet sadness filled the room as man and wife and babe faded like the morning mist, only the music lingering behind to speed her on her way.” — Daenerys, ACOK

As the Crown Prince and Heir to the Seven Kingdoms, would it not be expected for his father to write him a song? A song of his own? But as the Prince the was Promised, he had it written: A Song of Ice and Fire. We do not know what is pointed to Rhaegar about him needing another child and Aegon not being the Promised One, but perhaps him not being the son of Ice and Fire? Perhaps someone told him that? Or perhaps he did not know Aegon was not the Promised one, he just knew he needed the Third Head of The Dragon, as Dany’s vision showed.

My point here is, what if the reason we do not get to hear the rest of the song, is because it matters too much? It says too much? What if the Ghost of Hight Heart is actually Jenny’s Woods Witch, and she was the reason Rhaegar changed his mind about himself and his future? He was said to be melancholic, because of his grieving birth. But they also affirm how he loved Summerhall best of all places.

(not my art, I’d love to know who did it to give proper credit!)

Viserys had spoken of Rhaegar’s birth only once. Perhaps the tale saddened him too much. “It was the shadow of Summerhall that haunted him, was it not?”

“Yes. And yet Summerhall was the place the Prince loved best. He would go there from time to time, with only his harp for company.” — DAENERYS IV, A STORM OF SWORDS

Does it not sound like there must have a reason for him to keep going there? You would not keep coming back to your birth place, where you also lost so many relatives, without a reason, would you? But you would if you had a witch to give you so many answers and help you stop the end of the world.

So? What do you think? Am I crazy? Am I reading too much into this? Am I reading too much ASOIAF? This just kept coming to my mind and I JUST NEED TO KNOW THE REST OF THE LYRICS OF THIS SONG, MARTIN! TELL MEEEEE! Whatever is unsaid always sounds important! Anywaaaaay…sorry about that. haha

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