Alright. THATS IT. TIME TO LOSE MY SHIT.
The fact that Alicent is even ON THIS LIST is just flabbergasting. Now, to their credit, she’s second to last on this list (somehow worse than JAMIE LANNISTER?!). But still. Most evil characters?!
So, for fun, I thought I’d take a look at her characterization according to the writer of this list and rebut.
For the sake of organization, I will post the whole paragraph below and then go point by point:
“This one is fairly low on the rankings as it's not quite clear how villainous Alicent could become, with her moral standing leaning toward "complicated" rather than straightforward good or evil. However, she isn't quite the most innocent character in House of the Dragon either, with her manipulation of the grieving and ailing King Viserys, covering up her son's sexual crimes and fiendish proclivities and politically maneuvering an underhanded coup from her former best friend raising more than a few eyebrows about how far she'll go to protect her family.”
“Her manipulation of the grieving and ailing King Viserys”
First of all: Alicent was a 15 year old girl, the same age as Viserys’s own daughter, and his daughter’s best friend. Viserys is a full grown man and also the most powerful person in the entire kingdom as, you know, the king. Grief is a powerful thing and can certainly cause us to act contrary to our characters; however, that is not an excuse to have sex with and marry a child you have watched grow up alongside your own child.
Second of all: Alicent was not the master manipulator in this situation. She tried to fight back against the plan as much as she was capable as a girl and child, against her father who is the second most powerful man in the kingdom. The blame should go solely on Otto for this.
Blaming Alicent for “manipulating” Viserys when: she was a child forced to do this by her father, she fought against the idea, she was 15 and Viserys was a full grown man, and most of all HE WAS THE FUCKING KING, is crazy. Alicent had no power in this situation, nor did she want it. It was Otto’s idea and Viserys’s fault. Y’all blaming a child and acting like she’s an insidious master manipulator instead of criticizing the full grown man who had sex with her is crazy. Grief is no excuse. The men in this situation took advantage of Alicent. Not the other way around.
“Covering up her son’s sexual crimes and fiendish proclivities”
Where is the accountability on the deadbeat dad? Everyone keep blaming Alicent for how awful Aegon is. But nobody utters a word on how the other parent in this situation has done absolutely nothing. Viserys is also Aegon’s father (though this may be a shock to even Viserys himself seeing how neglectful and abusive he is to his children by Alicent). Viserys is the king. He has the power to implement whatever he wants but sits back and does nothing. But sure, Alicent is to blame because she’s actually involved and therefor her son being ruined is only her fault.
Alicent does her best at parenting Aegon and dealing with the shit he generates. What exactly could Alicent do to Aegon, a prince of the realm, to rectify the situation? Y’all are never happy when she does anything. When she disciplines Aegon, you scream she’s “abusive”. When she tries to compensate and fix the situation to the best of her ability, you scream that she’s enabling and covering up crimes. She will never win. And btw, she didn’t cover up for Aegon. Alicent listened to Dyana and tried to compensate for the pain. There’s literally nothing else she could do.
Y’all will blame Alicent for all the actions of the men in her life. Why not hold Aegon, the actual rapist, accountable for the situation. Not Alicent for trying to fix it. Because guess who’s not on the fucking list…AEGON. How will you penalize Alicent for trying to help fix the situation her son caused, but not penalize the man who actually committed the sexual crime? It reeks of sexism.
“Politically maneuvering an underhanded coup from her former best friend”
Ok. Let’s get this out of the way. Alicent believes Viserys said it was Aegon who is the heir. Stupid or not she does. But even without that Alicent does not stage a coup in some sort of villainous attempt to seize power for herself and away from Rhaenyra. She does it to protect her family. She has seen what happens when one of them is harmed, nothing. There will be nothing stopping team black from killing her or her children. This is a fight for survival. Not villainy. Fear.
Also it’s worth reminding that Alicent is the only one defending Rhaenyra’s life. Otto and other greens are perfectly fine with murdering Rhaenyra. Alicent is the only one fighting to protect her and counseling Aegon not to harm her.
In the end, Alicent is not a villain. She is the personification of how the patriarchy has abused women and torn them down in every way. Alicent has done her best to make everyone in her life happy. She has tried desperately to satisfy the selfishness and power-hungry nature of all those around her and reconcile everyone in her life. Alicent is not malicious or evil. She’s not seeking war or bloodshed. She wants her children and herself to be safe. Nobody should have “raised brows” at her defending herself and her family after she has spent decades being abused and seen more than enough proof that she is not loved or protected.
Villainizing Alicent can only happen if you’re willing to admit all this as well:
Grown men can never be held liable for having sex with teenage girls.
Teenage girls are at fault for the feelings adult men have for them.
Women are responsible for how their children turn out and men have no accountability in raising children or how they grow up.
Deadbeat father’s are ok, and the women left with the children are at fault for anything bad their kids do because they didn’t do a good enough job at being both parents.
Teenage mothers need to be perfect parents and can never make mistakes or have no idea what they’re doing because they, themselves are children.
Parents (specifically mothers) are responsible for the crimes of their children
Men shouldn’t be held accountable for rape. It’s their mom’s fault
And most of all: women who experience consistent trauma and abuse for years must hold it all in, accept further abuse with a smile, and “keep to their place”
Go ahead black fans. Admit this all. Admit you hate women and have deeply sexist beliefs. Then I’ll let you call her a villain :)
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My hot take on the AOTNR project: A huge portion of the "tHiS iS sOoO dIsReSpEcTfUl tO tHe AuThOR" commenters actually don't care about it at all, and instead they either:
a) feel insecure that their canon ship may be somehow threatened by this doujinshi,
b) liked the original ending, but hate to be disagreed with (or need to be validated) and feel threatened by the amount of people who could potentially sway to the fanmade one (...or even simply start to see some plotholes/illogicalities in the original one).
Obviously, not everyone is like that, but I swear - for some, it's just so painfully obvious that their stance on the project stems from some weird insecurity issues...just get a grip. It's a fanfiction, and, despite the absurd claims some people make, nobody is forcing it on you. There are 93737282928272 other fan-made projects, be it stories, comics or animations online, it's really not that deep. You don't have to look it up, read it or interact with its fans. You don't have to flaunt how you didn't read it (obviously!) but saw the screenshots and thought it was terrible. You don't have to mock the people who enjoyed it or the team who worked on it. You're not cool, neither some knight in shining armor. You just look ridiculous, if not even desperate.
Now, I'm a huge advocate for polite discussion and constructive criticism. If you read the work and see any issues with it, it's okay to talk about it or simply voice your opinion in a civil way. However, if you do it the way stated above, then that's kind of pitiful and maybe you should rethink why are you so insecure about a piece of fiction...🤷
For the past year, many people have seen Helaena being averse to physical touch as a sign of her hating Alicent.
So there is something nice about Helaena actually reaching her hand out for Alicent to grab, as they both run to safety. Helaena waits for Alicent, she sticks her hand out to grab Alicent, she is terrified but is concerned for her mother's safety, and they hold hands and run together...
Jaehaerys Targaryen died for no reason I guess
So...Rhaenyra says: "The boars squeal like children when they're being slaughtered"...and then she furiously slaughters a boar herself??? And all this in the episode where we're constantly being demonstrated that she doesn't like two-year-old Aegon??? I meeeaaan... It's creepy, isn't it?
In game:
In manga:
I’m sorry but Rhaenyra fighting in the war is Mary Sue behavior and if true will prove once again the writers …will likely be unable to write a compelling women.
Which is a real shame because I love book Rhaenyra.
They would rather do the usual people are just mean and hate a girlboss shtick then have to write about the nuances of a woman trying to become the first Queen in her extremely cut throat dynasty.
A woman dealing with the ramifications of (likely) postpartum depression. A woman who was meant to rule since she was a child and instead she is now recovering from a traumatic agonizing birth. A birth where her own husband ignored and later assaulted her. Who is going to protect her now that her father is dead? What does it mean to be a Queen when you have suffered beyond belief in childbirth and now you cannot even ride your dragon, that dragon that marks you as “better”, no your male children must fight for you. Then die for you.
The woman lauded as the Realm’s Delight who told her fierce aunt who did fight not only for her own rights but Rhaenyra’s that the realm denied her as Rhaenys the Queen Who Never Was but bent the knee to her.
What’s the difference between The Queen Who Never Was & The Realms Delight?, what’s the difference between a Queen who fought and one who didn’t? and what does it mean that they both ended up dead?
A woman who becomes increasingly paranoid and fearful (rightfully so) after being wronged so many times. A flawed woman, a woman who’s entitled, a woman who wants to rule but has internalized misogyny. A woman who believes she’s above the rest. A woman who has never had any physical training in war or battle because she has always lived in the lap of luxury and privilege and now finds herself in a war.
So she dresses up in the style of her warrior ancestress despite never taking up arms. Is it for comfort? Or strength? If she could ride her dragon would it matter? When Syrax like her has only ever known peace and her son’s murder rides her warrior ancestresses own mount Vhagar. A dragon that helped win Seven Kingdoms against one that has never known violence?
Things weren’t suppose to be that way, and every wrong makes for a crueler and angrier woman. She won’t die in battle she means to sit on that throne.
She never wanted to make a better world, she simply wanted to enjoy the rights every other entitled man of her lineage has had but instead she must go to war? Saera Targaryen was punished for thinking she could have multiple partners like the men in her family. Rhaenyra Targaryen is punished and compared to one of the worst men in her lineage.
What does it mean for a woman to be vile and STILL have been wronged and STILL have been robbed of what was hers because of her gender?
Why must she be this paragon of perfection?
For better or for worse the writers are terrified of making Rhaenyra unlikeable and it’s just so boring.
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"when you called me normal... that made me so happy."
"because you're the girl that saved me that day. the worst girl in the world."
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