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i wonder if actors ever get their scripts and are like

well this is fucking stupid

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The comments under the new HBO podcast episode with Ryan Condal can’t be fit in one post but here are some of them to give you the idea of what’s going on:

In a nutshell, this fandom learned not to hold back from GRRM himself.

Which version of this do you prefer?

Further notes:

I've done a combined ASOIAF books vs GOT/HOTD poll before, but I said in the tags then that I was thinking of doing an individual F&B/HOTD poll, so here it is!

"helaena? she does not ride, she has no taste for it."

I find myself agreeing with this woman’s thoughts on Alicent’s character this season. Which is a shame in many ways…

(Tagging those who might be interested in what this video has to say, I apologize if any of y’all have been trying to get this off your mind only for me to tag you here lol)

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"Helaena does not ride. She has no taste for it". That one line summarizes so many issues with the writing of Helaena (and even Alicent) this season. Women in this show who get in Rhaenyra's way are not allowed to want ANYTHING! Rhaenyra has been presented as the just, equal, rightful ruler so of course they can't risk her looking bad by maybe presenting us the perspective of another woman, a dragonrider who claimed the mount of a previous Targaryen queen, who tragically lost a son because of the war, who was a beloved queen by the smallfolk, whose council was listened to by her husband the king, and, most importantly, never suggested (in the book) that Aegon back down from his claim, only that he should pursue a peaceful resolution before going to war. Queen Helaena's death sparked the uprising of Kings Landing that would lead to Rhaenyra's own downfall and death. Helaena baby you deserved so so so much better than this. She deserved a proper coronation, she deserved to grieve her son, she deserved to ride her beloved Dreamfyre, and we should have seen her struggles and triumphs of being queen in a time of war. Aegon even declared that only his mother and wife be honored and recognized as the two legitimate queens during the dance 😭 This show did her so dirty and i will never forgive them 💚💙🩵💛

I know that right now we're all pissed at the horrendous character assassination Alicent has gone through this season (God I'm the first one who still can't believe her eyes), but this awful representation of the green Queen on screen has at least given me some newfound appreciation for book!Alicent and all she stands for.

Alicent, the young girl who stood by Jaehaerys's side as he passed.

Alicent, who became queen against all odds and watched in horror as her foolish husband dismissed her sons' claim to the throne in favor of her step-daughter.

Alicent, who knew what she wanted for her family and fought tooth and nail against Rhaenyra to protect her children.

Alicent, who demanded Luke's eye in exchange for Aemond's when she realized Viserys didn't care for the wellbeing of their son.

Alicent, who cleverly plotted Aegon's ascension and put her plan in motion the moment her useless husband kicked the bucket, disregarding his wishes in order to save her kin from the blacks.

Alicent, who witnessed the atrocity that was blood and cheese, helpless to do anything as her grandson was butchered and who then later on said she wishes to bathe in the blood of the men who had committed this horrible act.

Alicent, who remained loyal to her side till the bitter end, and kept taunting and threatening Rhaenyra even after she took the capital.

Alicent, who never recovered from her children's deaths and lived only to erase Rhaenyra's legacy, trying to convince her granddaughter to kill Aegon III despite the end of the war.

Alicent, who spent her last days in imprisonment, seen as a remnant of the past, a grief stricken woman fueled by vengeance, unable to see a future with Rhaenyra's blood on the throne.

Alicent, who died alone and defeated still thinking of her happy teenage years and her beloved family.

She was fierce, she was loving, she was manipulative, loyal, clever, brave and even fucking evil when she had to be, but at least she felt real.

She had agency, knew what she wanted and how to obtain it.

Never forget what they took from us.

Queen ALICENT HIGHTOWER & the Dance of the Dragons As described in Fire & Blood Part 1

Jaehaerys Targaryen died for no reason I guess

This gotta be the worst character assassination I've ever seen, Alicent betraying her family because she's still obsessed with Rhaenyra after two fucking decades and four children for some reason 🤡

You’re cheering…they managed to further ruin a character they already made inconsistent in the first season but you’re cheering because you got a stupidly written scene that fuels your ship?

condal was like: you know d&d were so clever and smart

Luke and Jaehaerys watching both their families hesitating to fight each other even after their deaths:

Tell me I’m not the only one who's been thinking this

failmarriages are evolving. what if you’re your father’s firstborn son and she’s your mother’s firstborn daughter and you were doomed from the day you were born. what if you’re the sun and you only know how to burn. what if she’s every myth about moon and madness. she claimed a dragon before you and you named your dragon after hers. your pink and gold to her blue and silver. she hasnt been outside in ages. you stopped dreaming long ago. sun. dream. fire and blood. one flesh one heart one soul. what if the tragedy isnt that you have nothing in common. what if the tragedy is that you have everything in common

they are hanging ....... posters ......... in king's landing .......... asking the illiterate smallfolk .......... to come to dragonstone to claim dragons

"Based on Fire & Blood by George R.R. Martin".

No, not really, more like loosely inspired.

B&C not haunting the narrative is the most horrendously bad writing choice in this entire show.

Hell, even Luke's death is not haunting the narrative as it should.

What gets to hunt the narrative? The goddamn memory of Viserys. Oh, and the fucking ratcatchers, too.

UNCLEFATHER CONFIRMED

Honestly? Good for them

Honestly if I was Jace and Baela I would 100% stage a coup to get rid of Rhaenyra after the goofy ass Kingslanding sept plot and it would have nothing to do with misogyny and everything to do with how absolutely incompetent she showed herself even entertaining that idea.

Oh the Queen just disappeared from Dragonstone after a murder plot on her life and snuck into a city that wants her dead because ????

Aemond after killing Luke:

"Noo I didn't mean to do that!🥺 He may have gouged my eye out, never apologized for it and grinned at the memory of bullying me, but he didn't deserve to die!

Aemond after Aegon made fun of him in a brothel:

"Fuck the fact that we're on the same team, fuck the fact that he insisted to have me on his council because I'm his brother, fuck the fact that this would doom our cause, this asshole has to die."

10/10 Ryan the writer that you are!

Criston Cole representing all of us Aegon enjoyers falling to his knees in a state of shock like that

Nothing can convince me he wasn’t actually breaking the fourth wall and realising what terrible writers Condal and Hess are and that he and every other character in this show are at their mercy (or lack thereof)

I wonder what the fact that Aeron Bracken was more angry about Jaehaerys' death than Alicent tells us about the script.

Women written by GRRM:

Quotes above from the characters : Catelyn Stark, Alicent Hightower, Arianne Martell, Daenerys Targaryen, Rhaenyra Targaryen, Catelyn Stark(again), Sansa Stark.

Women Written by Ryan Condal:

Dreamfyre you’re still the mother of Daenerys’s dragons in my heart and will be until GRRM comes out of his hole to tell me otherwise

souls tied, intertwined by our pride and guilt

i think it's really funny that rhaenyra is like "why do they think that i sent assassins after it - i mean after dear helaena's son"

*cue montage*

"children squeal like boars" while glaring at baby aegon, later proceeds to violently stab a boar to death, gives aegon more death glares while covered in blood

never interacts with her siblings, seemingly does not give a shit about them

"sharply questioned"

has laenor "killed"

marries daemon, number one fear of everyone in westeros

*end montage*

i mean, rhae-rhae, you've shown yourself to be an insensitive, violent person, and you stand to gain from jaehaerys's death. of course they think it was you.

"She who, without asking, understood it all and still came to her fate."

Helaena Targaryen trapped in prophecy

Otto: Your other son, Daeron

Alicent and every audience member who hasn’t read the book: