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i have made the perfect older khalid in baldurs gate 3 and NO ONE CAN TELL ME OTHERWISE
AU/OC moment (where J and k raised the bhaalspawn instead of Gorion)
I just really wanted to draw jaheira in that meme and then I added a Khalid with Evune to bring it all together
AAAAAAAA SHE LOVES HIM SO MUCH I CRY I LOVE THEM VRGYJUHTFRC THANK YOU FOR THIS
Tracy Wiles reading the My Dearest Wife letter (from this stream) :')
HELLO I AM HERE WITH RESULTS
I found a save file in SoD right before the temple of bhaal so I decided to record all of Madele’s lines I could find to piece together a timeline for the temple I’ve tried my best to make things clear I’m so sorry if something doesn’t make sense. Madele’s lines will be colored blue, Gorions ward (GW) will be colored pink, Jaheira is green.
Anything with a 1. Is a dialogue choice, 1: is the result of that dialogue choice
I present:
ALL OF MADELE’S DIALOGUE AND TEMPLE TIMELINE
FIRST MEETING
Who's there? My eyes are gone, but I can hear you... smell you. My dark lord sends me company! Speak to me, you who smells of sunlight and blood. Tell me who it is that visits my dusty prison.
1. I am (character name). Who are you?
2. Which dark lord is yours? There are so many these days...
3. Be silent, woman. If I would hear your voice, I will let you know when I wish it.
1: Faithful! Though my name has withered to dust in this endless night, still I may be called FAITHFUL. Lone travelers walked too close, fell into our nets, and we cut out their hearts. Blood ran down my arms, and I felt the Lord of Murder's blessing!
2: The lord of Murder, he who was lord here before treachery and deceit ended him. Still, though I lost both my sight and freedom that fateful day, I remain faithful.
3: my fate was written long ago. now… I rest. (End convo)
1-2 to lead to:
Faithful! Though my name has withered to dust in this endless night, still I may be called FAITHFUL. Lone travelers walked too close, fell into our nets, and we cut out their hearts. Blood ran down my arms, and I felt the Lord of Murder's blessing!
1. The temple lies in ruin now, and you are caged, your eyes gouged from your skull. How did this come to pass?
2. I am one of Bhaal's children.
3. The days of Bhaal are long past.
4. I don't care who you are. Bother me no more.
1: The base god of treachery now rules here, his mocking laugh sears my brain. I will not say his name. She can never make me say his name! A new age of Bhaal will be upon us, and soon. The Harpers stole and slew our children, but still I remain faithful. The Lord of Murder will rise again.
2: *gasp* that a child of murder should stand before me! All is ordained. It is no chance that brings you here, divine one.
3: same as 1
4: my fate was written long ago. Now… I rest (end convo)
1-2-3 lead to:
The base god of treachery now rules here, his mocking laugh sears my brain. I will not say his name. She can never make me say his name! A new age of Bhaal will be upon us, and soon. The Harpers stole and slew our children, but still I remain faithful. The Lord of Murder will rise again.
1. The Harpers stole children? I do not believe you.
2. Tell me exactly what happened here.
3. Speak no more of Bhaal, or of anything else for that matter.
1: (if you have jaheira with you)
J: “Stole” is not the proper word. “Liberated” is more accurate. Harpers sometimes rescue innocents from cults prepared to sacrifice them.
A: What tale shall I spin for you? That of our stolen children, or of our collapse?
(If not skip straight to) “What tale shall I spin for you? That of our stolen children, or of our collapse?”
2: What tale shall I spin for you? That of our stolen children, or of our collapse?
3: my fate was written long ago. Now… I rest (end convo)
1-2 lead to:
What tale shall I spin for you? That of our stolen children, or of our collapse?
1. I would hear about the children.
2. Tell me of the temple’s fall.
3. There is nothing you can tell me, if you have truly been locked up for years.
1: A priestess and a Harper spy, meeting in darkness. Hiding their passion. Oh, but WE saw; WE knew. His passion let him to careless speech, and she brought his words back to the temple. He thought his love could be stronger than the will of murder! Ha!
When the Harpers raided the temple, he came upon his lover with a dagger raised over her living child. Her GIFT to raise our slain master. How he pleaded with her not to send her own flesh to the Lord of Murder. An arrow from one of his allies pierced her throat even as she laughed at his folly.
They took our children, the blood we would have used to return Bhaal to power. I, I didn't give up!
My faith holds strong! Before we could try again, though, the others came.
2: We plotted and planned, wailing in the darkness for our lost god. Then they came, the followers of… I will NOT say his name. They came for us, gloating and preening, their shiny knives raised
I got the best of HER, though. I said I would slay them all in Bhaal’s name, while my followers fled. Even the Lord of Murder keeps his promises! I broke their teeth with my dagger-blade, and gouged out their throats while their bloody gums gnawed at my hand! HeheheheeeeHAHAHAHA…
But she caught me in the end, yes. My faithful were safe, but I was trapped. Dusty bones in a rusty cage. Powerful wards to keep me alive long after I should have died. She took my eyes and tells me tales of her lord’s power. She says Bhaal is gone, and Cyr… no. I will not say his name. I will NEVER say his name!
3: The years do not matter, they did not break me, did not end my devotion! Ah heh. Heehee.HeeheeheehahaHAHAHAHAAAaaa...
(If you asked the Children question)
1. Tell me about the temple's collapse.
2. You've been locked up for almost a decade, then?
(If you asked Temple question)
1. Tell me about the stolen children
2. You've been locked up for almost a decade, then?
(You can repeatedly ask questions however many times you want to continue the conversation you must choose 2)
Both 2: The years do not matter, they did not break me, did not end my devotion! Ah heh. Heehee.HeeheeheehahaHAHAHAHAAAaaa...
The years do not matter, they did not break me, did not end my devotion! Ah heh. Heehee.HeeheeheehahaHAHAHAHAAAaaa...
1. I need to get you out of that cage.
2. I've come here seeking a wardstone stolen by a priest of Cyric. Do you know where I might find such a thing?
3. Well, then. I'll just be going as far away from you as possible now.
4. Be silent, woman, lest you attract the attention of your captors.
1: Out? To get out I… ugh. UGGGGGH. My head… MY HEAD!
2: You… you can… ugh. UGGGGGH. My head… MY HEAD…!
3: same as 2
4: same as 2
All lead to:
Tired… so tired. Ziatar knows, she has… what you need. I must rest now… almost over. Almost done.
1. What’s almost done? What do you mean?
2. I’ll find ziatar and then return to free you.
3. You and that cage deserve one another. I will find Ziatar and leave you to your fate.
1: The voice, it tells me… this is almost at an end. Soon, I shall rest.
2: Go. I shall rest.
3: my fate was written long ago. Now… I rest.
1 leads to:
The voice, it tells me… this is almost at an end. Soon, I shall rest.
1. I’ll find Ziatar and then return to free you.
2. Well, that was cryptic. Farewell.
3. I’ll find Ziatar and leave you to your fate. It’s no more than you deserve.
1: Go. I shall rest.
2: same as 1
3: my fate was written long ago. Now… I rest.
End
IF YOU TALK TO HER AGAIN AFTER GOING THROUGH THE FULL CONVERSATION
Alone in the dust. Alone in the rust. Hahahahaha! Forgotten servant of a forgotten god.
1. I will return once I have the means to free you.
2. Rot in your cell. You deserve no better.
Both: Go, then. GO.
IF YOU TALK TO HER AGAIN AFTER YOU DISMISSED HER BEFORE GETTING THROUGH THE FULL CONVERSATION marked with (end convo)
Alone in the dust. Alone in the rust. Hahahahaha! Forgotten servant of a forgotten god.
1. What forgotten god do you serve?
2. I will return once I have the means to free you.
3. Rot in your cell. You deserve no better.
1: The lord of Murder, he who was lord here before treachery and deceit ended him. Still, though I lost both my sight and freedom that fateful day, I remain faithful. (Starts convo over)
2: Go, then. GO.
3: same as 2
IF YOU RECRUIT KHALID BEFORE TALKING TO HER BY DESTROYING THE CRUSADE AT THE BRIDGE
No changes, if jaheira is dead he doesn’t comment on the Harpers taking the kids because I’m sure the developers did not expect you to do it this way lol
FREEING HER (NOT CLEARING TEMPLE)
1. I am here to free you. I found the key to your cell.
1: Free? I will never be free, I am bound to the Lord of Murder. He guides me even when he is silent... so silent. I AM HERE, I DO AS YOU WILL.
1. I am a child of Bhaal. I command you to leave this place and find a way to amend for your misdeeds in life,
2. I am a child of Bhaal. I command you to leave this place and uphold my father's teachings. Murder any who offend you. Make all mortals fear the Lord of Murder even in death.
3. Stay or go, it makes no difference to me.
1: Your orders contradict everything my lord has taught me... but you are his child! How can I deny you? But how can I defy him? I.. I will try, child of murder.
2: Your words are like cold water on a parched throat. For you, child of murder! I will kill in your name!
3: Perhaps one day my lord will hear my prayers once more.
(She will leave and you will not be able to talk to her again)
TALKING TO HER AFTER KILLING THE MINDFLAYER
1. I found the mindflayer who had taken over the temple. It was your mind that allowed him access.
1: She thought I was POWERLESS. She thought the Lord of Murder had abandoned me. But I told it everything, EVERYTHING. I know each voice here, each step, each slamming door. I told it that SHE was the one to control. And now she's gone... gone forever! And the temple of the betrayer falls.
(She says this even if Akanna is still alive)
And that’s all the dialogue I could find, if anyone has any extra dialogue that I missed please tell me how to get it and I’ll add it
MY THOUGHTS
I believe there might be a misconception here due to the line “so you’ve been locked up for almost a decade” after asking about the harpers taking the kids. The harpers did NOT imprison Madele, the followers of Cyric did.
Something you may have noticed is that Gorions Ward says “you’ve been locked up for almost a decade” when Madele literally said nothing about that. This is correct because we know she’s been locked up for about 8 years since the followers of Cyric took over the temple as stated in Akanna’s journal:
1360 DR
We have seized the temple of the Lord of Murder. We killed many of Bhaal's clergy. Others escaped, but I claimed a prize for myself: the high priestess Madele. I have caged her while I decide what glorious things to do with her. Praise Cyric. Fear the Dark Sun.
How did GW know? You get this dialogue before reading the diary entry so not from that. Perhaps they knew when the Harpers took the kids but I doubt it, Gorion obviously didn’t tell them, jaheira seemed to know the situation but since GW is surprised harpers took kids I doubt she told them either. I know it’s not explicitly stated that the Harper described was Gorion but… It was Gorion, I feel that’s clearly the intention. Plus, when the Harper’s were there doesn’t indicate anything about how long she’s been imprisoned since they didn’t imprison her. The two events could have both happened in 1360 DR which I guess could explain the “almost a decade” after asking about the kids but again there’s no way GW could have known that.
I’m chalking this up to a mistake in the code. You can ask Madele about the kids and the temple over and over again until you select “you’ve been locked up for almost a decade” to continue the conversation. You could have already asked about the temple before you ask about the kids so the option needs to come up after asking the kids question. I hope that made sense
As for GW somehow knowing it’s been almost a decade I’m chalking that up to a writing error. Again, if anyone has any ideas as to how they knew I’d love to hear it
The million dollar question: when did the harpers take the kids?
GW had to have been born so the earliest is 1348 DR, and it happened before the followers of Cyric so the latest is 1360 DR. Serevok visited the temple sometime after because in his note he mentions his plans for the iron throne starting to gain traction, the wiki says his iron throne scheme began in 1365 so I’ll hesitantly say it was around that time without knowing where that information is from.
The wiki also says apparently serevok was left behind by the harpers during this raid and I genuinely have no idea where this comes from and contradicts serevok’s backstory in bg1 so if anyone knows please tell me
THE TIMELINE
The Harpers take the kids (1348 DR ~ 1360 DR) -> Followers of Cyric take over the temple (1360 DR) -> Serevok visits (~1365 DR) -> Seige of Dragonspear (1368 DR)
They’re so mean 😭 why are they so mean? 😭
I made Jaheira and Khalid in the sims 4! I’m not very good at making sims and looking at it now I think I made jaheiras head too long but eh
I don’t own the pack that has pointy ears so i found some cc ones, I can’t edit them like I’d want because of that but we make do
Also apparently base game doesn’t have scars and I really thought it did so that’s on me
They are legitimately all over each other and keep taking breaks from whatever they’re doing to kiss which is cute but also unhelpful when I’m trying to grind up their skills lol
Also have some funny moments
Canon, also sorry the quality is shit idk why
Jaheira is not beating the baby fever allegations with this one lmao
I made them (to the best of my ability) in the sims and they keep on kissing so canon
I think they should kiss more often
Evune time
I really need to draw her annoyed because while she is baby she is also a bit passive aggressive lol
If she was in Bg3 she’d be the time to tell Astarion when he’s complaining
“wait- listen-“
“…I don’t hear anything”
“Isn’t it wonderful?"
been a while since i drew on my tablet
How Jaheira and Khalid adopted Evune joke comic I doodled instead of being actually productive
I was inspired by those memes where it’s like
Dad: doesn’t want a dog
Famous: gets dog anyway
Dad and the dog:
I’m following the SoD lore where Gorions wards mother was a priestess of bhaal and Gorion was like “I can fix her”
Also I watched a Khalid in Baldurs gate III video because yes and it turns out they missed one and no one brought it up in the comments so I will
Spoilers for act three if anyone cares
I may be crazy but I swear I had jaheira and Gale in my party once after reading the book of karsus but before meeting Mystra I think jaheira said something like “you seek to a god Gale? The mad mage Irenicus had a similar goal” and Gale responds in his usual nerdy Gale manner “oh yes using a bhaalspawn is a novel idea” and jaheira hits him with “he captures my friends and I, tortured us and killed my husband” and Gale immediately backtracks “I meant very bad and awful” so this bumps Khalid mentions to:
Getting Khalid’s gift
Talking to jaheira about him
Jaheiras speech
And this banter
I mean there’s definitely times where she’s implicitly talking about him but these are when he’s explicitly mentioned (unless I made this banter up but I swear it’s real I’m not crazy)
Love them love them love them love them
I wanna talk about my AU that gradually took over my bhaalspawn
So we all know Jaheira and Khalid were meant to take care of gorions ward if something happened to him right? Well what if instead Gorion asked them to raise the MC from the beginning?
If we take what SoD implies about Gorion saving the MC and killing their mother maybe he does this because instead of feeling responsibility he feels guilt over killing this kids mother. If we take what Gorion says in his note about her dying in childbirth then we can say maybe he was filled with grief or something. Either way he doesn’t keep them unlike canon
What would be the impact of this on the story? There are so many ways you could go with this concept, but most of all I just want to know how jaheira and Khalid would be as parents! Jaheira has her kids in bg3 but I need more! I need dad Khalid! He already gives off those vibes with his whole “Gorion would be proud of your actions” I think he’d be such a girl dad
So I took my Bhaalspawn Evune from my playthroughs and put her in the au and she lives there now
(Old art aaaaa)
This is her, my girl, she’s a ranger
I finished it!
YIPPEE!!
Look upon them
My reply of the (somewhat) reverse
Jaheira very much knows what she’s doing
They truly complement each other in all ways
Khalid's fine bottom,,, I imagine it's very squishable
Wanna draw some memes with the bg1 characters, probably mostly jaheira and khalid because hyper fixation go brrr, but if anyone has any suggestions feel free to suggest
Drawing out the game dialogue of meeting Jaheira and Khalid at the Friendly Arm Inn (if you speak with Khalid first)
To me she feels at the very least in her early thirties in bg1 I typically think of her as her as late thirties. I think the people who made the game didn’t think too much about the timeline because that’s a common trend in the dnd verse since it’s so complicated lol. Her being the godmother to gorions ward makes me feel really weird about the romance
I think it’s best to ignore the actual timeline and go with what makes sense to you
Jaheira's Timeline is Fucked??
I feel like this is known. but still, what the fuck.
The original BG website (taken down) apparently listed Jaheira as being born/less than a year old during the civil war in Tethyr, also known as the Ten Black Days of Eleint. This event happened in 1347.
But if that's true, that makes Jaheira 21 as of the first game. In the first meeting with her, she states that her & Khalid were supposed to be Gorion's Ward's foster parents should anything happen to Gorion. Gorion's Ward is said to be 20 (or "of your twenty years of life") as of the beginning of the game which takes place over the course of about 5 months.
So Jaheira was supposed to be your guardian when she was maybe a year older than you at best.
Worse still, there's supposedly a dialogue between Jaheira and Glint (a companion) in Siege of Dragonspear that confirms that Jaheira had been married to Khalid for 8 years, and dated him for more than 10 years total. SoD takes place in 1368 - 1369 and is 6 months long at most.
That means she started dating Khalid at age 11 - 12, married him at 13 - 14.
Add on that Khalid's BG website bio implies that Khalid and Jaheira met through Gorion (presumably the "sorceror" Khalid asks his father to pay to teach him) & the Harpers, so she was a Harper prior to meeting him, when she was like 10.
like obviously someone fucked up on the numbers, the setting/story isn't quite dark enough to be implying an underaged/arranged marriage for one of the happier couples in the game. but still..
If Jaheira had been born in 1347 she would have been 145 years old as of BG3. Half-elves live around 120 - 180 years.
To make any of it fit, that statement has to be ignored, and at least 5 years need to be tacked onto her age.
So at the earliest:
She's born in 1342.
The civil war happens when she's 5 and she's rescued by one of her servants.
She joins/is involved/travelling with the Harpers around 13 - 15 ish.
She meets Khalid at 16 - 17, marries him at 18 - 19.
Which leaves space for Gorion to have asked her to be next-of-kin to a 14 yro when she was 20.
That way she's 26 when Gorion's Ward (20) rocks up.
As of BG3, she's 150.
But I think that's the absolute youngest she could have been, to correct the dates while still remaining true to the tone of BG & Jaheira/Khalid's relationship.
A more realistic approach would probably be to tack on 10 years:
She's born in 1337.
The civil war happens when she's 10 and she's rescued by one of her servants.
She joins/is involved/travelling with the Harpers around 15 - 19ish.
She meets Khalid at 21 - 22, marries him at 23 - 24.
Which leaves space for Gorion to have asked her to be next-of-kin to a 9 yro when she was 20.
That way she's 31 when Gorion's Ward (20) rocks up.
As of BG3 she's 155.
I did entertain the possibility that she was also present with Gorion when rescuing the Bhaalspawn & adopting his Ward,
(Idk if she knows that your a Bhaalspawn prior to you finding out bc I haven't got that far in the game & haven't seen anything to suggest she does? BG veterans ur input is very much welcome here!)
but that would need her to be around at least 20 in 1348 & a competent Harper, which conflicts with her being child in need of a servants help in 1347 when the civil war begins. Her being 40ish when Gorion is killed isn't so much of an issue since she's a Half-elf and Shadowheart, who is also considered a young adult, is in her 40s in BG3. It's just the conflict with her being a child in 1347 that makes me think she wasn't involved then.
He's not mad..... Just disappointed...