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4 months ago
I Meant Satan Lol
I Meant Satan Lol
I Meant Satan Lol
I Meant Satan Lol

I meant satan lol

4 months ago
Little Something For @iseerice !!

little something for @iseerice !! <3 based on their post

4 months ago
2D With The Insecure Gf Question.
2D With The Insecure Gf Question.
2D With The Insecure Gf Question.
2D With The Insecure Gf Question.

2D with the insecure gf question.

4 months ago

I saw this and I thought of them :b

I Saw This And I Thought Of Them :b

My version:

I Saw This And I Thought Of Them :b
4 months ago
PAUL AND JOHN Fanart!

PAUL AND JOHN fanart!

4 months ago
MY BAND MEMBERS ARE ALL MORONS

MY BAND MEMBERS ARE ALL MORONS

4 months ago
D-Day Collab I Did W A Friend>_< (they Drew 2D)

D-Day collab i did w a friend>_< (they drew 2D)

4 months ago

My gf is an actual amab cis girl. They wrote male on her birth certificate by mistake

holy shit tell your girlfriend congrats on the fun gender

4 months ago
A Little Ciel Phantomhive Redesign! Doing A Kinda Sorta Historically Accurate Version Of His Dress Disguise 

A little Ciel Phantomhive redesign! Doing a kinda sorta historically accurate version of his dress disguise 

4 months ago
Ciel’s Notorious Robin Dress™ REDESIGNED

Ciel’s notorious Robin Dress™ REDESIGNED

As the Kuroshitsuji series continues, historic accuracy has gone way up thanks to Yana’s consulting of a Victorian Era expert. In the earliest chapters however, it seemed like Yana didn’t even have a clue what English people wore in the 1880s, and just googled some lolita dresses and slapped them onto her characters.

Costume-wise, the most iconic one of the series is definitely O!Ciel’s notorious Robin Dress (I mean, which other costume has an actual name that’s googleable?) This dress however, is really a historical amalgamation of all sorts, and knowing Yana, she probably would not have gone for this design today.

Let us break this costume down from top to bottom wherein I examine the historic inaccuracies, and how I propose to “correct” these while trying to keep as much of the original design intact as possible.

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Head wear and hair

First of all, Victorians had clear distinctions between day wear and evening wear. Women were supposed to wear long sleeves and high necklines during day, and the opposite during night time events. Hats were rarely paired with short sleeved low-necklines, because the idea of the hat was to protect the wearer from the sun.

Wearing a hat indoors at night was not unlike wearing sunglasses indoors at night in present time. The hat is not salvageable. YEET.

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I do understand Yana’s problem though; O!Ciel could not very much wear an eye patch as a proper lady, so what to do to conceal the contract sign? You think Victorian, and you think HATS👒🎩

I threw myself into a research hole to try find an alternative solution, but the results were rather disappointing. Victorians were not supposed to have anything dangling before their faces (Frances is right), because that was considered poor grooming. Veils ended up being my only option, though people usually did not wear veils unless for wedding or religious ceremonies.

But one poor option is better than no option at all, so veil it was. Paired with a few curls in front of his right eye and some lace, the contract seal can be covered up rather well (as long as he wouldn’t move too much).

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Needless to say, Victorians would not have worn twin tails. 1880s Victorian women would wear their hair up, and having two curled tails dangling below became fashionable since the mid-Victorian Era.

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Choker ribbon necklaces were worn by people in the 1880s, but they were not standard for fancy night time events. However, as it was technically not historically ‘inaccurate’, it can stay.

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Neckline

The neckline is more accurate and I have left it mostly the same. The only major problem is the silhouette, namely that in the 1880s, women would wear more streamlined shapes to make the shoulders seem smaller. Often they would have the shoulders/sleeves flare out at the bottom to make the waist seem smaller through contrast.

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For the sake of streamlining I have made the top ruffles smaller and added more panels to the middle part according to the trend of pleated bertha collar.

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Waistline

The hat and the boots are technically 19th century accurate, but just not for the occasion. The waistline of the Robin Dress however, is the by far the biggest culprit in making this dress a historical abomination.

The mid-section of this dress seems to be made from one single piece of cloth. In the Victorian Era when waist reduction was top priority, the Robin Dress would have failed miserably in gaining the approval of high society.

The unstructured type of dress made from one continued panel of cloth was a thing of the 10th century before people figured out how to make proper waist seams. So yes, the Robin Dress is basically 900 years outdated.

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Fashion is something that always gets revisited (see all the neo-XXX trends), so 900 years outdated does not necessarily have to be a problem. However, since the moment people discovered the technique to make a proper waist seam, they ditched the unstructured way of tailoring, and it would not really come back until the 1900s.

An unstructured waist-line was considered the height of sloppy appearance in O!Ciel’s time, and would make the tailor look like a complete amateur whose skills fell literal centuries behind.

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Hence, for the sake of correction, I simply gave the dress a pointed waist and proper structure to avoid the fold in the original dress that would have been unacceptable in a proper evening gown.

Skirt

The silhouette of the skirt is also somewhat outdated as the bell-shaped dress was something that fell out of fashion around the 1860s. Essentially O!Ciel was wearing a silhouette that was 30 years out of fashion.

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(Imagine going to an official event in 2020 and looking like this.)

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By O!Ciel’s time, the largest part of the skirt was the bustle that was a ‘MUST’ of the time, and the front was slimmed down. The hem of the skirt was worn shorter for younger girls, but for formal events like the party of the Viscount, the etiquette was floor length.

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A wide skirt like that of the original design combined with the swagged design was something that was only briefly popular in the Rococo Era, which was approximately 150 years old by O!Ciel’s time.

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The swagged skirt for decoration was not unacceptable in the 1880s, but the gather points would either have been hidden underneath the bustle, or gathered using something quite elaborate, like ruffles or flowers. One black ribbon would have been rather inadequate.

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If not hidden or gathered with fancy ornaments, then the swagged fabric would have been heaved much higher, coming together near the waist.

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So in my attempt to correct the skirt part, I both gathered the fabric higher and used the same roses to cover the gather points. Instead of the original black ribbon bows, I used the striped bow like the one at the chest for completion’s sake.

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Shoes

Technically the shoes are rather Victorian Era accurate, but boots were outdoor shoes, and generally not THAT high heeled because they were essentially made for a bit of walking. For formal events people would not have worn boots (we don’t do that either in 2020). Instead, the proper shoes for under a gown were pumps.

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As the dress is floor length however, they would not be visible anyway, so I did not bother redesign them.

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【Related post: Redesign: O!Ciel and Sebastian in different eras】

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4 months ago

“I was trying to put it ‘round that I was gay, you know - I thought it would throw them off… dancing at the gay clubs in Los Angeles, flirting with boys… but it never really got off the ground.”

- John Lennon, Hit Parader

“I Was Trying To Put It ‘round That I Was Gay, You Know - I Thought It Would Throw Them Off… Dancing
4 months ago
It Was Like This

it was like this

4 months ago
Just Made This Is This Anything?

Just made this is this anything?

4 months ago

The Beatles, 1964:

John- The Smart one

George- The Quiet one

Paul- The Cute one

Ringo- the drummer

The Beatles, 2023

John- The Gay one

George- The Bitchy one

Paul- Lesbian Woman

Ringo- the drummer

4 months ago

paul just being like "yeah haha i'm not jealous at all i couldn't be jealous on account of me being a man but i mean john did fall out of love with me and into love with yoko isn't that great that's wonderful i love love i love yoko i love their love soso so much. if i were a girl i'd rip them both apart with my bare hands like a chimpanzee but since i'm a man i think it's super cool and i'm super cool about it too"

funniest paul interview ever

4 months ago

“I’m sure that if [Paul] had been a woman or something, he would have been a great threat, because there’s something definitely very strong with me, John, and Paul.”

— Yoko Ono, Revolution Tape, June 4th 1968. [x]

“. . . I mean, I think really what it was, really all that happened was that John fell in love. With Yoko. And so, with such a powerful alliance like that, it was difficult for him to still be seeing me. It was as if I was another girlfriend, almost. Our relationship was a strong relationship. And if he was to start a new relationship, he had to put this other one away. And I understood that. I mean, I couldn’t stand in the way of someone who’d fallen in love. You can’t say, “Who’s this?” You can’t really do that. If I was a girl, maybe I could go out and… But you know I mean in this case I just sort of said, right – I mean, I didn’t say anything, but I could see that was the way it was going to go, and that Yoko would be very sort of powerful for him. So um, we all had to get out the way.”

— Paul McCartney, interview with German tv program Exclusiv, April 1985. [x]

“It’s just handy to fuck your best friend… and once I resolved the fact that it was a woman as well, it’s all right. I liked her cause she was like a bloke in drag… like a mate.”

— John Lennon talking about Yoko Ono - Powers of Two by Joshua Wolf Shenk. [x]

“I still think at the back of John’s mind was this fascination of wanting to get back with the first girlfriend, if you like, and that was to get back with Paul, who he had so much history with.”

— Tony Barrow, The Beatles’ press officer, on the Lennon/McCartney reunion that was never to be. [x]

“My “simplest, most logical” reason that Yoko treated Paul as her main rival for John’s affections was… he was the main rival for John’s affections… How many books have been written about Lennon and McCartney, and on that period specifically, and not one of them has seriously suggested that John might be a bisexual man in love with his songwriting partner and closest adult companion? Now, we have writers timidly peeking out and saying, “Gee, it’s almost as if John was in love with Paul.” Has the evidence changed? Not much. Have we as a society become more educated and tolerant? Yes.”

— Michael Gerber, Hey Dullblog. [x]

4 months ago

It's actually funny how humans decided "fuck living in caves with all these creepy crawlies", got out of caves, built houses that have all the nice parts of a cave without any of the yucky parts, and then all the little bugs and spiders and other creepy crawly creatures that used to also live in caves thought "sweet, new and improved caves" and moved right back in with us.

4 months ago
This Website Is So So So Good

This website is so so so good

4 months ago

It’s so crazy that John was the gay one

5 months ago

watching old beatles interviews is so funny because paul will be talking and here comes john tickling his back or smacking his head or touching his thigh or fingering him like relax brother no one's taking him from you

5 months ago

I find so fucking funny that John Lennon was legally blind and he literally for years picked blindness over looking bad in glasses. no wonder he was bisexual everyone just looked the same

5 months ago
“If John Lennon Could Come Back For A Day, How Would You Spend It With Him?” “In Bed.”

“If John Lennon could come back for a day, how would you spend it with him?” “In bed.”

5 months ago
Real Exchange I Overheard Between Two Of My Bandmates ????

real exchange i overheard between two of my bandmates ????

5 months ago

watching old beatles interviews is so funny because paul will be talking and here comes john tickling his back or smacking his head or touching his thigh or fingering him like relax brother no one's taking him from you

5 months ago
Idk What, But This Pic Is Giving Twink Energy??

Idk what, but this pic is giving twink energy??

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