Kabru And Laios

It's kind of odd how other Eclipse's or Sun's look at this version of Sun and seem to like him more. Ruin and Dark Sun seem to care about him in some way.

But why? What's so different about this Sun? In some way it's like they almost pity him...?

So, Ruin would rather have Solar die instead of Sun. I mean he did hang out with Sun more so that makes sense. He's always liked him.

Hot take: Mr. Puzzles receives too much blame for Western Spaghetti.

(Ramble under the cut)

"Mr. Puzzles tortured Meggy in Western Spaghetti, he made her relive her death over and over for a month!" No, he didn’t actually. That was One-Shot Wren. Sure, he gave Wren the technology and control of the simulation, but he didn't force Wren to do anything after that. You could argue that Puzzles enabled him, but Wren's actions toward Meggy and the crew afterward were all his own. Mr. Puzzles just sat back and watched. Did his comment about Meggy's "performance" in the Puzzlevision movie feel like adding insult to injury? Sure, but I think he legitimately thought he was giving her actual praise and just didn't even consider the mental/emotional ramifications of it all. Of course this doesn't excuse the things he HAS done, but Western Spaghetti specifically is on Wren.

On that same note, I actually think Mr. Puzzles isn't quite as "malicious" as we've painted him to be. He’s crafty, and he did do some pretty terrible things during the Puzzlevision arc, but they struck me as coming from a lack of understanding of the damage he was doing than actual malice. Again, it doesn’t excuse them, but it's not like he specifically wished them harm or had a grudge against them (though he probably does now).

"But he was happy to call himself a villain during the Meme Factory mini-arc." Yes, but I feel like he's taking the sort of approach where he likes to call himself a villain but doesn't really understand what that means. (The guy grew up in isolation watching TV all day; I wouldn't be surprised if his understanding of "evil" was on par with a Saturday morning cartoon villain.) And the only reason he's doing it is because he's playing the role he feels he's been assigned. After all, SMG4 was the first one to call him a "dime a dozen bad guy," but I don't think he started out wanting to be one. Which is primarily why I think he's not completely irredeemable. I mean he said it himself, he just wanted to make a good TV show.

Went on a little bit of a tangent, but thanks for listening to me pop off. XD And hey, those are just my thoughts. What do you guys think?

🐊🤠-And our next animatronic is mo- wait a minute -🤠🐊

this is an old picture of him

where is the I got for this one

No what a change of plans

Monty here was one of coolest thing I have ever met

But now, he has a hot temper

He is also a big fan of Bonnie

He is friendly with one of the daycare attendance which is a surprise

He was not special but look at him now he is finding a star

🌙🌟-The next one is Moondrop-🌟🌙

They are non-binary

They have a big obsession with cats

To a point they acts like a cat sometimes, and when you ask them about it they will say "It is none of your business"

They are the ones who are a charge of getting them to sleep and dose security work

They are friends with DJ, Freddy and Chica

But Their favorite person is Sunny

And their least favourite person is Monty

🌟-Here's a fun fact-🌟

His creator Sumerian Eclipse

Has work on Sun and Moon ever since 2012

He has said in a Intenrveiw "Sunny here is one of my great creation, I have ever made, just look at her, she is beautiful"

"What about Moon?"

"Oh them, they aren't the best like sunny over here, but they were rush"

"Oh really?"

Yay it was just the time I was given, isn't that right moon"

"Yes, you are right sir"

"How how long did it take to make them?"

"I think I have been working on them since 2012"

Mr.Puzzles has problems with Emotion/Has Low Empathy

First: I think it is very important to go over what Having Low Empathy means because a lot of people get it confused or simply do not know. So this is just info! ♥️ This top part♥️

•Cognitive empathy is what you do when you stop to think about how someone else might feel in their situation, the whole "how would I feel if this happened to me?" thing. Now, having cognitive empathy doesn't actually say anything about whether someone has or doesn't have low empathy because cognitive empathy is taught, however, there are some people who aren't able to learn it because of the way their brain works; they almost certainly have low empathy.

•Affective empathy, on the other hand, is not taught, it is what causes people to genuinely "feel for others"

It is what most people are referring to when they talk about having low or high empathy, it causes you to experience the same emotion you perceive the person to have. For some, this is only something they experience with people they're close to, some only ever feel it with fictional characters.

•Caring isn't really a form of empathy, but they're sort of related and I feel I should bring it up anyways. To specify, I'm using the definition of

"caring about someone is to be emotionally affected by things that happen to them"

which can be confusing and hard to tell apart from affective empathy sometimes. A friend you care about has something bad happen, so you're sad and then you might mistake that for feeling empathy because you're sad and they're sad, "so that must make it empathy, right?" when in actuality, the cause of your sadness was the bad thing happening to a person you like, not the fact they're sad.

-Fun Facts given to me by my friend @femboi-rayne , thanks for helping me further understand this subject homie!

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Now why do I think, Mr.Puzzles has low empathy?

Section A:

When Leggy saves him from drowning in the Monster Energy River the first thing he does is scold her for invading his personal space; This is his autism being quirky bc as we all know it is VERY easy to put one thing above the other

And Leggy frowns HARD... He reacts but doesn't seem to fully understand the weight of his actions. He has studied facial expressions so knows she is upset, but with how QUICK he is to brush it off like it is nothing... He does not understand WHY she is upset, he did not think to himself

" how would I feel, If I rescued someone and they scolded me as their first action? "

Because simply he does not think that way, he cannot think that way. He doesn't want Leggy to be hurt however the easiest way for him to defend her, is physically, as he can see it happening in front of him and act on it. Pain is an easy sign to see, as is danger so when she is in danger he acts fast and accordingly. When it comes to hurting her feelings, he stumbles over his wording, says things wrong, pauses like hes trying to think about it but ultimately doesnt know how to.

Prime example B:

The whole interaction with Luigi is GOLDEN example of how he has Low Empathy.

Some of you might say 'oh Mr.Puzzles is a villain so he was mean to Luigi on purpose!'

To that I say: you are wrong ♥️

Mr.Puzzles has NO reason to be mean towards Luigi right now as the man in green is currently a Blockade to the next room. Luigi is the gatekeeper to the next door, and Mr.Puzzles is genuinely TRYING to be nice in his own quirky way.

His logical way of thinking is to tell Luigi that: I'm not here to harm you" and that will let him pass!!

However Luigi gets upset and requests Mr.Puzzles to turn him into a meat mallet, as only he can do this feat. The TV man is upset his plan didnt work but also he looks at Luigi and does not think to himself "if i tell Luigi that I will not turn him into a meat mallet, he will get mad"

He thinks: oh I can't do this, better tell the truth.

Thus why he thinks: he did nothing wrong.

I told the truth to the guy, what did he want from me?? Why didn't he let me pass, I was a good boy!! He wasn't actively trying to be evil, he NEEDED to get past Luigi and failed bc he cant do conversations.

And the adventure he has with Leggy ISNT about him becoming a Nicer Person nahhh. He still wants to take over the world and be popular lolol!

The episode is about Leggy pushing his boundaries in and Teaching him about empathy ....somewhat.... Theres only so much he can learn about How to Empathise and it doesnt help that he is an emotional wreck.

He doesnt know how to accept the fact this little gremlin is being nice to him... Because she likes him. It does not click in his 4head, and the episode is dedicated to her teaching him that Hey: im here for you bc I Like you. Not because im following orders you dummy/pos.

Her way of showing him- violence... Isnt the HEALTHY way to show him but ill look at it as playful animal time like a dog playing tug of war with your pants ♥️

When hes already not that confident with emotions it's going to be much harder for him to learn how to think before he speaks. And even if he does learn this, he will not be on the same level as anyone else in the SMG4 crew. Low Empathy, it can be a struggle! He'll keep messing up and accidentally offending people, but he'll be trying his best.

That is: if he gets a redemption arc

•which i personally hope he doesnt bc i love him the way he is but at the same time moving from being an awkward villain to an awkward friend would be adorable

I haven't been posted in s while, so here's bitter giggles.

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Mr. Puzzles has manufactured everything about himself, including his voice: (A long post!! 📺)

A thing I've noticed is just how often his voice changes, most notably when he's switching from his deeper narrator voice to his more energetic showman voice in the promo trailer. ^^^

Here's another example from the song. Both lines are said in two distinct voices, none of them being the usual one we hear from him. One has a more pronounced Transatlantic accent and the other has an American one. We can assume someone else is talking and he just overlays himself on top, but he is explicitly the one shown to speak in that moment. ^^^

This next one might be a stretch, but I think the supporting female vocals could be him as well. It is heavily implied he works alone and doesn't trust others with his vision so it kinda makes sense that he would also sing the song on his own. (If that's true damn does he have a good voice) ^^^

Even the critical podcast host could be him. The first voice is deeper and rougher while the second is more sly and has a distinct influxion that is unique to Puzzles, so they could be just his inner thoughts and insecurities audibly manifesting through some complicated technical means.

He is alone in his office, staring at all the monitors that display his hard work. And he is not satisfied. His mind begins to wander and his self doubt begins to manifest out loud in the form of others criticizing him, further fueling his crippling perfectionism. ^^^

Also here, when his lifelong dream is finally met he can't contain his (ever so slightly malicious) glee, and his voice deepens and begins to glitch out. ^^^

Also a bit unrelated but did y'all notice that when he says 'crying' he is shown with his crazy big smile? You know, his main expression on all the promotional material.

Conclusion?

I think his upbeat showman voice isn't how he usually sounds, but what he thinks others would like him to sound like. He has to keep up the energy that the audience has come to expect of him so he manufactured the perfect tv host voice to keep as many tuned in as possible.

I headcanon his real voice to be deeper, raspier and very monotone. I think that while he was smoking he had to turn off his voice synthesizer so the smoke won't damage it, which is why he doesn't talk in the scene. He has lost every bit of himself by molding into what he thinks people would like, and any reminder that he was once someone else makes him uncomfortable.

I'm going insane chat.

They are finally finished

I think I could do a bit better on them, but I think is the best I could do

Whats with people simping for him now?

I HATE HOW HE'S SO PERFECT WHAT-

🌟~Here some art for you~🌟

The next redesign for "Working Together" will come and I will give you guys more information on Sun and Moon

🌟-Fun fact Sun is my favorite out of everyone-🌟