How do you define consent?
Hi Anon! So let's give a little warning before I tell you, because I don't want you to misunderstand me or think that I approve of some dubious things. Okay? Okay!
Warning: Dubious consent is not consent, okay? If you ask a person indirectly and he gives indirect consent, it is not consent. This is bad. You shouldn't do this. Consent should be given to a normal question. Direct question, direct answer. (If you are communicating with a person from another country, then before agreeing to something, clarify what he means. Because the person himself may not understand that his ordinary question in his culture means one thing and in yours another, this is normal, we are different).
In fact, I think that we humans and Cybertronians most likely have a striking cultural difference (Before arriving on Earth, they didn't even have a concept of gender, guys, what is understandable to us is obviously not understandable to them. And their cultural characteristics are incomprehensible to us, for example, discrimination by body type and function). That is why the topic of consent to cyberformation is extremely, well, complex.
What exactly is the problem with consent to Cyberformation. Rather, it is that when the Cybertronians first arrived on Earth, no one thought that they had a completely different culture. Well, more precisely, people thought about it, but not as much as they should have. The Autobots communicated and communicated well with people, were extremely polite whenever possible and cautious with earthlings. This created the impression that they had the same cultural norms as we do on Earth, this misconception was a mistake. Cybertronians have their own language, holidays, customs and other elements of a developed culture, so everyone seemed to have slightly forgotten that they were still aliens. This is not bad, it's just that this difference in culture was absolutely important for understanding. (We have a situation among different cultures where during communication we can say something that is common for one people, but unfamiliar to another. For this, we need to understand and study other cultures in order to avoid embarrassment).
When Cybertronians want to cyberform a person, they just have a normal conversation. There is no strange atmosphere, just a casual conversation during which there may be questions like “Would you like to explore outer space? / Would you like to protect your home planet? / Would you like us to be friends forever? / Would you like to see other planets?” and so on and so forth. The question can be anything, mostly from the area of what interests the person. Naturally, the person will most likely answer yes to such a question, and the Cybertronians perceive this as consent. Understand? For them, this is not a dubious consent, but simply “Yes”. This is just a normal conversation, so in essence, there is an embarrassment of misunderstanding between the person and the Cybertronian. Perhaps it is also precisely in linguistics, the language and sentence structure in Cybertronian can differ. This is precisely why there are not many “bad” reactions to cyberforming, they still exist yes. But I think it is difficult to be angry with someone when you both understand that there was a misunderstanding and confusion.
I hope you understand me. Cybertronians will not intentionally cyberform you if they refuse their question. For illustration purposes, there is a character in my AU who was not cyberformed because he gave a direct refusal.
Captain Carmine Fanzone, he worked with the Autobots and especially Prowl for a long time. He is an excellent policeman, loyal, although his attitude was still very specific, but he believed that the Autobots had good intentions (which was confirmed more than once). Captain Fanzone as an agent, monitored the Autobots' missions near cities to avoid attacks by Decepticons on civilians and to avoid traffic jams and reduce casualties to a minimum. Prowl considered him quite outstanding and his loyalty to his cause was respected by him. I think Fanzone and Prowl got along well, so when the topic of "Would Fenzone like to protect everyone" was raised in an everyday conversation, he answered that he did not. Fenzone simply explained that it was physically impossible to protect everyone and that he was simply doing everything in his power to help his people and those who trusted him. Prowl took it calmly and then did not ask such questions anymore, having received a refusal, he simply accepted someone else's choice and respected his decision to remain human and protect others. He didn't try to convince him that "if only there was such a possibility." Prowl simply knows that these words were a lie (even Cybertronians are not capable of protecting everyone, as a senior officer he knows this better than anyone).
Well, I hope you understand me correctly and my answer will satisfy you. Thank you for this question, it was really difficult. The topic is extremely difficult because, I hope I managed to convey my idea!
For the rest, to understand what Cyberform AU is: Character List Lore parts: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Answers to questions: Q&A1, Q&A2, Q&A3, Q&A4, Q&A5, Q&A6, Q&A7, Q&A8, Q&A9
You implied cybertronian have done cyberforming to other species, Are any the current autobots or decepticon cyberformed aliens? and if so who?
Hi Anon! (I enjoy mentally pondering Cybertronian culture and eras, so thanks.)
Yes, Cybertronians in the era of space expansion were engaged in cyberforming other species. This cultural aspect was strictly controlled at the top of the Cybertron council, which is why although it happened, it was not such a mass phenomenon. Probably this was due to the fact that an organic representative of a species had to really have outstanding abilities, prove themselves so that the pompous top, according to the words of another Cybertronian, considered them truly worthy. Unfortunately, this strict, sometimes openly xenophobic approach led to the fact that there were really few cyberformed, and even more so from one world (some Cybertronians do not like organic species or consider them inferior to themselves in development).
This created a kind of narrow selection. Even the most developed and wise Cybertronians from this era did not know that the cyberformed take various adaptive unique traits and programming from their home worlds, so they were not even particularly studied in this direction. Only if during medical examinations they could notice differences in some areas of the programs of the Cyberformed creatures, but since there was nothing to compare with, they thought that this was how it should be. In fact, the researchers took away the opportunity to learn about this, so on Earth with People it was a pleasant surprise. Cyberforming received a new round in study from the fact that a large number of representatives of one species were changed. (I will make one big lore post about this, I have it planned in the plan. About which corpus, what unique traits taken from Earth. I made a small spoiler about this in Q&A5, where I wrote about the "night seekers").
Regarding whether there are Cyberformed among the Autobots or Decepticons, no. There are none. It's not that it would be unlikely, but that there really weren't many Cyberformed, literally grains. Those few who were changed during the era of the Expansion of Cybertron due to the lack of brothers or at least those who went through this process in their environment obviously did not talk about it, fearing to receive contemptuous looks and comments about their origin. Obviously, they were alone, however, this does not mean that they did not have students.
On Cybertron, too, there seems to be a custom when a new bot from some middle or high caste is given under the wing of an older bot. I want to believe that Hound had one and that his mentor was a Cyberformed mech, perhaps that is why he does not have such an aversion to organics. It seems to me that Hound quickly feels quite natural in organic worlds (cautious and attentive). The same probably goes for Wheeljack and Jetfire, they didn't have a mentor, but a lab mate, a former organic member of the species. Of course, the Cyberformed kept it quiet and hid it for a long time until he trusted them enough to tell them. Kup and Ratchet are two of the older mechs who might have met one or two of these Cybertronians as well. They weren't that common anyway, the number of Cyberformed has always been extremely small. And while there are quite a few people who became Cybertronians in my AU, compared to the percentage of Cybertron's population, there still won't be many of them. With the restoration of Cybertron, they will literally dissolve into the society of their new home (However, I think they will probably be given some territory so that they can create their own small city and preserve their own uniqueness and culture).
For the rest, to understand what Cyberform AU is: Character List Lore parts: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Answers to questions: Q&A1, Q&A2, Q&A3, Q&A4, Q&A5, Q&A6, Q&A7, Q&A8
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how do humans who get cyberformed usally react to finding out what their cybertronian freind is doing to them?
the reaction guess is probably different from person to person but what usally happens?
Hi Anon! (Thanks for the question, I'm so glad!)
In fact, the reaction of different people is really extremely diverse, but all this can be combined into "five stages of acceptance".
It's not that there are five of them, basically there are only three reactions and they depend on whether the person had anything to lose in life, what kind of relationship he had with his parents and other factors.
The initial reaction of those who react to their situation is extremely aggressive. Anger, misunderstanding, confusion, all of it is deeply entwined in their chest, pressing like a weight and intensifying with pain. They do not understand why their cybertronian friend and trusted comrade decided to do this to them, they cannot accept reality for some time and deny what is happening (deny the situation). For the most part, this is the reaction of those who have families, or those who see that they had a duty to "humanity", or those who are afraid of leaving behind their achievements (in my AU, however, the cyberformed later face alienation from their former human brothers). People who initially flare up with anger are simply going through the five stages of acceptance of the situation. From deep denial and disbelief (lasts a short period of time), a furious outburst (anger), an attempt to understand whether it is possible to reverse the process (bargaining), numbness (depression) and then acceptance of the situation, an attempt to get used to the new reality (resignation). Adaptation is difficult for such people, they can be stubborn, flare up with irritation, as a rule, their Cybertronian friends provide support, knowing that it is difficult and unusual for them. It is because of them, for the most part, that Cybertronians try to unite the cyberformed into groups, thinking that this will help them come to terms faster and accept the idea that everything is not so scary, because next to them there are friends and those who have gone through the same process.
The second reaction, those who are confused, but mostly calm. I wrote in the "Second Part" that usually these are the people who tend to be more observant, they are calm and attentive in themselves. They understand what is happening earlier, they may have a flash of misunderstanding at the beginning (a short quick anger), but such people are more inclined to listen to their Cybertronian friend. To understand what exactly prompted him to act this way. Of course, they can be irritated or sad for some time, but resignation to the situation comes faster for them. Usually people with such a reaction can be stubborn for some time in adapting to the Cybertronian society, but their way out is studying sciences and professions. The feeling of order and consistency calms them down, and the support of Cybertronian friends gives them time to accept life in a new way at their own pace (some of these people are deeply inspired by the idea of exploring everything in a new, more advanced way, as a rule, they are flexible in their thoughts)
The third reaction, enthusiasts in general. They may seem frivolous in their joy of becoming a Cybertronian, even if it means going through pain. However, these are the ones who know that they had nothing more to lose in their previous human life, or, on the contrary, they are running away from the life they had. For them, becoming a Cybertronian = starting life from scratch. Being yourself and not being ashamed of your character, not being constrained by rules, traditions or other things. Probably, the number of people with the third reaction includes those whose life has been permeated with Cybertronian culture and bots since childhood (and there are such, for example, like Daniel). In the case of this group, adaptation occurs so quickly and naturally that they rush to soften the reactions of the first group and help the second to reveal themselves.
Usually, Cybertronians take the cyberforming human to a safe place, they have one (at least for the Autobots, rest in peace to those chosen by the Decepticons). There, the former humans are surrounded not only by safety and security, but also by support from other cyberformers and their guardians and friends. I will write about this place later, as it is important for understanding both the reaction of the human government and the place that the former humans themselves have taken in the world.
That's all, just three categories, of course it all depends on the person and a little later I'll make a post with a list of characters that are present in this AU. If you want to know how this or that character reacted, you can write to me, I'll be happy to answer :).
Part 3 Character List
Sideswipe: I think it's a little weird, before it became a bot, Russell didn’t sleep that much. Grimlock: I think this is nothing strange, because he looks like a cat! Since Russell is a minikon, very much like a cat, he acquired some of the habits of these animals. He began to love to sleep a lot, bask in the sun, climb into narrow or soft places, and during sleep he leans in strange postures. (Very flexible! However, it’s good that he doesn’t discard items! I think Denny would be very unhappy with this feature.) The whole team had to get used to the “new” Russell, the only one who does not see anything wrong with the new, this is Grimlok, because he considers this change to be quite natural.
It doesn't matter if he's small or not, Garp will still do what he wants and sometimes make Bogard angry. It seems to me that if Bogard had been a tontatta, it would have been more difficult for Garp to evade responsibility. Who checks their pockets thinking there is a spare cookie in them?
One of them there randomizer click and drag thingies for Pacific Rim.
Something to amuse and hold over until we get a sequel.
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