The trio ever
did anyone ship holly and bluebell when they read watership down or is that just me
"how could you support media that features gore and bloodshed" well a gal's gotta masturbate to something
i read the conclave book in less than a day and watched the conclave movie twice and i feel like i can say edward berger definitely read the book and thought "you know what the problem here is. not enough benitez as a jesus allegory content"
just a few changes to showcase this:
1. In the book Benitez is constantly portrayed being welcomed by Filipinos, Africans and other nations due to his reputation. Multiple times the book has shown Benitez being dragged into groups and numerous nationals listening intently to what he has to say, which is why he rose so slowly but prominently.
In the movie, Benitez is almost always alone--the scene where Lawrence finds him looking at the late popes turtles alone was originally Benitez talking to a group but deciding to leave to speak to Lomelli instead. The movie frames Benitez in the same quiet but thoughtful work as it does the nuns and all the important female figures in the Church--watching, listening, saying nothing until the spirit moves him to speak the truth. The book shows Benitez still being involved in the politics of the Conclave, dragged around his social groups, whether he wants to be or not; the movie expressly separates Benitez entirely from the politics, placing him in a kind of objective, angelic watcher position.
2. Jacopo Lomelli's name is changed to Thomas Lawrence. The book is likely referring to Jacopo as Jacob, the man who wrestled God, but in the movie he is clearly focused on being Doubting Thomas, the man who interrogates and sees proof of Jesus's resurrection from an abdomen wound. Guess who Lawrence was interrogating about the treatment of an abdomen wound in the movie
3. Speaking of the treatment, the movie changed Benitez's condition from having a fused labia to having ovaries, and also changed the way he found out from a car bomb explosion injury to an appendectomy. Again. This is probably an allusion to Doubting Thomas checking out Jesus's wound. But the fact that even this major detail was changed to fit the "Benitez as a Jesus allegory" narrative is hilarious to me
4. This is my biggest, funniest observation of the Conclave Book vs Movie Benitez. Book Benitez is determined to make Lomelli win. He gets up and speaks after the discovery of the terrorist attack to expressly say that the conclave has already had a majority vote (Lomelli) and that all the 24 people who voted for Benitez should vote for Lomelli instead to strengthen the church. He doesn't outwardly express any disdain for the conclave, just that he wishes they could work together to strengthen the Church. Movie Benitez is VASTLY different because he just straight up says sth along the lines of "all of you are petty and weird and know nothing about the conflict youre getting into and i cannot wait to go back to kabul and do some actual good for this world instead of being stuck here with all of you. " its just such a holy takedown of the church that clearly separates Benitez not as a member of any faction but as a voice of God
I love both the movie and the film for completely different reasons and I think everybody who reads or watches one should check out the other just to get a complete picture of both visions
so iโve only watched sn 1 and a bit of sn 2 of the boys, but iโm really digging hughieโs pseudo coming-of-age arc, which contributes to the oedipal themes of the show as a whole. in season 1 one of hughieโs minor journeys as a character was self-actualizing into someone his father was no longer babying. he lived with his dad & robin was going to be the one who forced him to gain independence from his father by having him move in with her. then she died, and he spent the rest of the season getting mixed up with the wrong ppl but trying to become his own person. in season 2, the father from which he is trying to grow beyond and metaphorically โkillโ is butcher (who quite literally refers to himself as daddy (๐ฉ) in the first ep) by asserting himself as a new sort of leader of the boys and by doing things on his own.
the other side of this oedipal coin is homelander, obviously, with his lust for a mother figure (stillwell in s1) and hatred for his father figure (vogelbaum). this doesnโt need much explanation. in the second season he is also in a fight to assert himself independently from his paternal company.
overall, this points to a consciousness of the charactersโ stunted growths and their inability to self-actualize without an element of conflict. this is a commentary on human nature but moreover our current culture of toxic masculinity. i hope they carry these themes forward in some shape or form, whether thatโs a continuance of the cycle or a subversion of it, with ryan and homelander + butcher!
"when I think of fiction written for an adult audience (besides porn) I think of something that has nuance and complexity. For a premise that's centered around redeeming sinners in Hell, it could've been the perfect opportunity to explore moral questions, like: why is this person in Hell? Do they deserve to be in Hell? Why would a sinner want to be redeemed if they seemingly enjoy causing chaos and violence? However, the only "adult" thing about Hazbin Hotel is the constant swearing and immature sex jokes. Which is also the reason there are so many minors in the fandom: that's exactly how middle schoolers and high schoolers talk! And there is little to no nuance in the story. I doubt this will change in later seasons because we all know how Vivienne writes her stories."
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