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4 months ago
StansCo Part 2! The Boys Are Hard At Work But The World Can Be Unforgiving To Two Highschool Dropouts
StansCo Part 2! The Boys Are Hard At Work But The World Can Be Unforgiving To Two Highschool Dropouts

StansCo Part 2! The boys are hard at work but the world can be unforgiving to two highschool dropouts ;(

Part 1

7 months ago

So, for Starters: Book Of Bill Spoilers warning. Another opinion from me below. (Here's my first opinion I shared, if you havent seen it) This new one is about the lost journal pages again, of course.

Originally, I wanted to make a super big crazy essay about all the reasons I think the journal pages in BOB (The Book of Bill’s given name) are fake, and show off my super-cool totally completely sound deductive reasoning techniques in the process.  

Unfortunately, knowing myself I’m not sure I’m actually capable of accomplishing such a feat. You all know how I tend to post things in parts, sometimes out of order, often never finished. However I would like to share something in particular that’s been eating at me that I’ve seen… partially discussed, but only partially. And certainly not the part that I would like to discuss. 

It’s about the rats.

You know, the rats.

So, For Starters: Book Of Bill Spoilers Warning. Another Opinion From Me Below. (Here's My First Opinion

I saw these rats being talked about since before I was even able to have a look at the book myself. 

But before I get further into it all, I would like to start off with a joke: 

Why did dead rats, eggnog, a land orca, shrimp colors, It’s a Small World After All, and an Anti-Cipherite Suit cross the road? 

Well, that’s easy. To get to the other side. 

Of the book, that is. 

If you’re anything like me, you probably skipped right to the journal pages upon contact with the book. And if you’re even MORE like me, you were probably left a little confounded by them. Not only did they seem… wrong somehow. But they also felt random. Full of odd choices of subject that didn’t make a lot of sense. Could these pages really have come from journal 3? If so, why do parts of them feel so… completely out of context? 

And this is where the rats come in. As I mentioned before, I saw many people discussing them. In particular, they were noting their connection to this passage from earlier in the book:

So, For Starters: Book Of Bill Spoilers Warning. Another Opinion From Me Below. (Here's My First Opinion

Many of the related discussions also felt odd to me. Though I lacked the knowledge to be able to articulate why at the time. UNTIL, I read the book for myself from start to finish. That's when I realized something:  This is not the only time something from earlier in the book connects back to the journal pages. In fact, it happens many, many times throughout the earlier passages. (Here is a small collection of them for your perusal.)

So, For Starters: Book Of Bill Spoilers Warning. Another Opinion From Me Below. (Here's My First Opinion
So, For Starters: Book Of Bill Spoilers Warning. Another Opinion From Me Below. (Here's My First Opinion
So, For Starters: Book Of Bill Spoilers Warning. Another Opinion From Me Below. (Here's My First Opinion
So, For Starters: Book Of Bill Spoilers Warning. Another Opinion From Me Below. (Here's My First Opinion
So, For Starters: Book Of Bill Spoilers Warning. Another Opinion From Me Below. (Here's My First Opinion
So, For Starters: Book Of Bill Spoilers Warning. Another Opinion From Me Below. (Here's My First Opinion
So, For Starters: Book Of Bill Spoilers Warning. Another Opinion From Me Below. (Here's My First Opinion
So, For Starters: Book Of Bill Spoilers Warning. Another Opinion From Me Below. (Here's My First Opinion

And then it started clicking into place. The reasons the pages felt like they were so abnormally out of context… is because they WERE lacking context!

Now, before you can finish saying “Gin, you’re an idiot.” I would like you to ponder these three questions: 

1) Why, if these pages were taken from Journal 3, should they require context from outside of it to be able to be completely understood?

2) Why is it that this context can be found in what Bill Cipher has been writing in the preceding passages up till now? 

3) If you put food in a mogwai’s mouth at midnight EST but drive it over the CST time zone line back to 11PM before it can swallow, will it still transform into a gremlin? 

Okay, you caught me, that third one is unrelated. But the first two I believe require further thinking. So let’s delve a little further into the idea. Consider this the real third question: 

3) Are we to seriously believe that these, the only pages of J3 still lost to us, just so happen to tie into the new topics from the rest of the Book of Bill over and over like this?  

And since you’ve done so well thinking thus far, I’ll ask a fourth question: 

4) Are you aware of the concepts of Watsonian and Doyalist analysis? 

Assuming you don’t and you won’t google it, I’ll skip to the important part. Watsonian analysis is to analyze a story from within it, as if you yourself were Watson making deductions in a Sherlock Holmes novel.  

Now, from a Watsonian point of view, what happens when we try to answer our earlier questions? Why should it be that the Book of Bill provides so many of these points of reference to the journal pages? 

One possible line of thought could be that Bill wrote the earlier passages of his book *around* the idea of what was contained in the pages, but I think this doesn’t work for a few reasons. For one thing, the purpose of the book is to get the reader to make a deal, not to take a whole novel to set the stage for a 3 day mini Ford adventure. For another, not all of what I described prior is really fit to be called “context”, is it? The rats, the “Small World” cassette, and the Bill-Suit are one thing, but Eggnog? Shrimp colors? Land Orcas? I certainly wouldn’t define them that way. If anything, they’d be better suited to being called “references”. And unlike the more contextual ideas, there’d be no real need for Bill to sneak mere references to the pages into his grand story.  And lastly, there are a great deal of Bill pages that have nothing to do with the content in the journal pages at all.

So what exactly am I trying to say here? 

So, For Starters: Book Of Bill Spoilers Warning. Another Opinion From Me Below. (Here's My First Opinion
So, For Starters: Book Of Bill Spoilers Warning. Another Opinion From Me Below. (Here's My First Opinion
So, For Starters: Book Of Bill Spoilers Warning. Another Opinion From Me Below. (Here's My First Opinion
So, For Starters: Book Of Bill Spoilers Warning. Another Opinion From Me Below. (Here's My First Opinion

If we do intend to think of the callbacks outlined above as references, the only logical conclusion within the story is that the journal pages themselves are referencing back to the Book of Bill, not the other way around.

But… how? And why? Something Ford has written in the 80’s shouldn't be able to reference something Bill is writing post-weirdmageddon certainly. 

That’s because “Ford” isn’t referencing it at all!

And as for why… Well, have you ever noticed when you're writing a story on the fly, things you wrote earlier all come crashing back to you as you try to wrap things up? I believe personally that the journal pages are nothing more than a strange endcap on Bill’s crazy train of thought! And the "references" are just fuel that further the pages creation. Almost as if, to quote someone much more knowledgeable than me on this subject…

So, For Starters: Book Of Bill Spoilers Warning. Another Opinion From Me Below. (Here's My First Opinion

In the end, all I've described above (as well as other aspects of the pages I've not mentioned here) leave me with the impression the pages are not real.

As I stated only a bit earlier, the idea that these pages, the only pages of J3 purported to be lost, should be so connected to the rest of the book is beyond coincidence to me. Not to mention that in order to take these pages as total truth, you must give credence to several other passages of Bill's book as well. And I'm not too keen on having to trust him that much.

To all who have read this far, even to those who may have scoffed at the ideas in here or think I've only written up nonsense. Thank you for reading and considering my thoughts.

I am not saying anyone must agree with me on this. I know some people have found the pages to be important and meaningful to them, and I do not wish to give the impression that I think my view is the end all be all correct one, or that I think lesser of those who believe in them. I only want to share my own opinions. And to anyone else who found the pages to feel "off" somehow, possibly validate their feelings too.

1 month ago
Number 15 Erased Fidds' Memory From Traumatizing Pastime With Ford
Number 15 Erased Fidds' Memory From Traumatizing Pastime With Ford

number 15 erased Fidds' memory from traumatizing pastime with Ford

5 months ago
A drawing of 30 something Stanford Pines about to shave. He's looking at the hair on his neck with a confused expression on his face. Hair is missing in a pattern that resembles a crop circle. He has a thought bubble with a drawing of a ufo shooting beams in a field with question marks around it.

crop circles have been occurring on my neck btw. if you even care

2 months ago

should've taken a break not an oxford comma

8 months ago
Made This Gem On Sunday. Had To Wait All Week To Post It

made this gem on Sunday. had to wait all week to post it

1 month ago
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses
(before Y'all Go "dreamscaperer!kid Stan Was Actually Ford", Just Note That He Likely Isn't Wearing Glasses

(before y'all go "dreamscaperer!kid stan was actually ford", just note that he likely isn't wearing glasses here for visual clarity since they're wearing matching clothes and they didn't plan ford's actual character until writing tots)

1 month ago

Some unserious FrankenFord doodles

Some Unserious FrankenFord Doodles
Some Unserious FrankenFord Doodles
Some Unserious FrankenFord Doodles
Some Unserious FrankenFord Doodles

(Insert awful joke about Ford closing his eyes, but not being able to block out Stan's suffering because his eyelids are transparent.)

For the record, this isn't super accurate to what I have in mind, lol.

5 months ago
They're Making Good Use Of Ford's Eye...
They're Making Good Use Of Ford's Eye...
They're Making Good Use Of Ford's Eye...

They're making good use of Ford's eye...

I made this comic 2 months ago I think and I just forgor to post it here LMAOAOAOAO

1 month ago
Keep Sucking The Triangle

keep sucking the triangle

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