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I hate how this subplot about AFO producing a line of experiments in response to OFA seem to be an afterthought and never properly fleshed out.

Like isn't very obvious?

You have 9 OFA users, and there's also 9 test subjects with the objective of create the perfect AFO successor/vessel.

And both Nine and Deku are such perfect foils to each other that feels really frustrating and insulting how their potential is wasted in favor of a forced dynamic with Shigaraki, who never had the same appeal as character or as a Deku rival.

This plot could've been generational if it was well written I swear.

Seeing your analysis of Nine, I really think he could have been the main antagonist of the manga, since you can see that he really is more interesting than Tomura.

Same! Nine is exactly what people think shigaraki is.

Honestly it's bewildering that nine got less then 10% of shigarakis screentime and managed to be better then him in every way possible.

I think it's also interesting that nine and izuku also easily share parallels with one another whether that be:

The similar belief that not everyone is born equal

Their names both meaning nine

The way they both would do anything for the ones they care for

The imagery they both share when it comes to not giving up even if it takes a physical toll on them

They also contrast with their beliefs with how izuku wants to produce a fairer society while nine wants a society where the strong rule

Both of them having a sky type quirk with izuku it's float and with nine it's his original quirk

There's more but nine already has the foundations of a great antagonists and is basically what the fandom thinks shigaraki is.

I do actually share some concepts presented here in my vision for MHA.

Always found baffling how Horikoshi clearly shows the quirk doomsday theory as something very real, but at the same time every character who brings the topic has to be irremediable crazy and with no reedeming qualities so naturally the heroes wouldn't take the issue seriously and the status quo persist (Yeah Horikoshi is subtle about his agenda there).

Aside of your idea of the childrends dying for their bodies not being able to support their strong quirks, canon actually shows us how fucked up the lives of certain individuals can be purely because of their quirks and no "muh society" like the LOV. I mean one of Chisaki’s goons the one who eats everything is implied to be crazy because his quirk makes him desparate to ingest anything similar to Moonfish, or that civilian from Team Up mission who's body produces a toxic gas he has no control over and can kill him, so he has to live alone and far away from other people in a special house.

There's crazy untaped potential in the doomsday theory, and in my vision I use this for give Chisaki a more nuanced objective as aside of getting power for the yakuza he also grows to want do something for revert the possible end uo human kind due quirks.

I guess our versions of Overhaul are also pretty different...

Not against the idea of Midoriya beating Muscular with other than brute force, as the whole point of his canon character should be that he's supposed to be smart and a great strategist but most of the time he wins just because he can punch hard which is disappointing af. If you could elavorate on how she would defeat Goto I'm intersted on learn.

Also I hope something more can happen between them, because I read some stories that give Goto (Muscular) more characterization and his relationship with Midoriya have an interesting twist because he or she brings Goto more human side to the table.

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A brief synopsis of my rework for Katsuma is that is teenager of 16s in this story rather than a little kid, but he also comes out as trans woman at that age after starting her hero studies. And Katsuma who is an actual pupil of Edgeshot in this story, not only was instructed since young age in several combat disciplines aside of shinobi ninja style, but she choose a butterfly theme for herself being symbolic to change.

I imagine Katsuma (she doesn't change her name) wearing a beautiful haori with the shape of butterfly wings, a homage to Shinobu Kocho from KNY obviously, and she also has two small butterfly tatoos one on her belly and the other close to her chest. Do you pick the reference?

Katsuma eventual meeting and relationship with Nine is also the heart of my vision of the story, just like arguably their dynamic is what makes Heroes Rising plot happen in canon.

I'm not even the biggest fan of Dabi in terms of looks, but always found very weird how the anime constantly makes him look way more defined and with bigger muscles than he has in the manga.

Isn't a bit contradictory for his character to look super ripped? Horikoshi clearly drawn Dabi in that specific way because the story makes emphasis on his body being more frail due having a weak constitution, also contrasting him to the rest of mens in the family who got the big and strong constitution of Enji, Natsuo especially. The anime just lose all the meaning behind that.

And this is more of a personal preference but I find Dabi's body in the manga to look much more attractive and less generic than in the anime. Skinny guys can look attractive as well.

Hi @nyc3

Thanks for the ask bc it's so fitting as I was thinking about how the fandom sees dabi and mr. Possum.

Let me start with this. Have you seen how in the Tumblr the tags of dabi x reader and shig x reader there a HUGE contrast in quality? Shig is depicted as a creepy and weirdo incel while Dabi IS "I'LL STEAL YOUR WIFE😏"

now on a controversial take. I do like the idea of dabi losing his scars. Why? Would increase his quality of life...I find odd how everyone in LoV accepts Dr. Evil's word and never try to take a second opinion. Also, without the scars Dabi would look way more like Endy making his claim be more powerful.

(not a fan of erasing Shig's scars nor the "crusty" jokes. Shig is handsome with his scars)

Now onto your ask: I think Bones just like to make characters hot in a conventional way, JJK men got to be hotter than the manga. But I do notice how bones lacks in translate the manga to anime. Some of the scenes of the manga were done so dirty.

Dabi became hotter aka buffer bc of this. Btw, many dabi x reader like to make the reader have a healing quirk (it should be a trope by now) just so it can heal dabi...which no one account that dabi IS self destructive, a healing quirk is nice but he would do again...unless he changes his mindset (I'm trying to explore this in my fic called besties)

Ask yourself: did shig NEEDED to be buffaraki? Was afo the quirk really need you to be buff?

(was necessary for Izu to gain muscles? Maybe, maybe not)

So to answer: Dabi is attractive in any shape. His writing trumps over shig any day even if shig IS more attractive than Dabi.

If I remember correctly Kai used to get into a lot of fights when he was younger trying to make a reputation for the yakuza, and getting into underground cage fights was a way to get powerful goons like Rappa.

But getting shirtless when he hates being touched? Nah that's just Chrono fantasies getting out of hand lol.

This is such a fun scene when you think about the context, cause is supposed to be from Chrono's perspective.

Chrono really think he can fool us and make us think Chisaki, a person with severe misophonia, would voluntarily enter in a cage fight shirtless AND without gloves?

Especially considering we have another the flashback of the same or a similar situation from Rappa's perspective and we clearly see Chisaki doesn't take off his clothes for "fight".

Is Chrono so thirsty for Kai that he unconsciously imagines him shirtless?

Well I can't blame you at all Hari... I do the same thing all the time.

Oh dear... Horikoshi isn't a good writter but at least he didn't go so far to make that atrocious "Eri will rewind Shigaraki and the villains into kids" real, neither the equally awful "Shigaraki will unlock the Overhaul part of Decay".

Thank god it didn't happen, just for that I can forgive a lot of shit of the final arc.

Isn't ironic how the lov fans are also really selective in terms of who can be saved and not? The love to shit on the heroes for not save their precious babies, but is like only 3 villains exist for them.

Like why Chisaki wouldn't deserve to be saved as well? He had a shitty life and his crimes are far less worse than mass murdered like the LOV did.

But nah... no villains deserves to be saved aside of the league of lames.

You can imagine how happy makes me see them getting angry because Chisaki and Muscular the "pure evil" villains are alive while crusty bitch and his friends are rotting in hell.

The ship of Kurogiri and Compress is so random and for some reason is super popular despite they have no interactions whatsoever. Like I don't care about Kurogiri, but considering Shigarakumo is somewhere inside and has to deal with all that bs from Compress... eh I feel for the poor boy.

Have you ever think on how rewrite Compress?

Like I've always thought he must be one of the worse written characters in this series, and that's saying a lot when your writer is Horikoshi.

Outside of being handsome under that stupid outfit and his quirk, everything about Compress is kind of lame. Many other characters have similar concepts but much better execution.

I have some ideas to change his entire role, but nothing serious yet.

Hi @nyc3

Glad you ask bc...I never really gave much thought on Compress. Yes, he is handsome (everyone in MHA is handsome but Izu who Hori says is a gag character) but the man is ...meh, to me. Lov stans go nuts and call him the "dad of the group" and jokes aside....

He isn't even remotely close to be on this label. Kuro? I get it (even if Shig is uncaring for the Nomu. I get why, more or less, I mean I can imagine it's bc how Kuro was passive in the whole shit afo did...but shig still remain faithful to afo) but Mr. Compress is nothing.

Yes, he says one nice thing to Toga (another nutcase) but this is nothing. I do admit lov can work with each other and it's more than Izu gets...but that's the bare minimum.

So no. Mr. Compress is just a big nothing....but he is handsome.

At least he isn't a Spinner.

Dont be a Spinner.

They are really the battle couple of MHA

Look how much Deku cares for his italian lover

Giulio has to get his own souvenir from Japan.

He's going to eat that cake fr 🥦

I haven't seen anyone commenting about something weird on how AFO is represented in the recent art by Horikoshi:

That being the fact this is the "prime" version of him with his face restored, but wearing the final war outfit and maskless. Something clearly not possible in the story itself, as obviously that outfit was gone when he used rewind on himself for avoid die by the fire of Endeavor.

But the interesting part is that this isn't the first time Horikoshi draw AFO in this particular way, mixing his restored look with the purple jacket outfit.

The other time was in that cover in which he's facing Deku (a battle that never happened in the story, or at least not directly against his main body).

In that other art AFO also has a unique look for his mask not being seen in the story, that looks vaguely like it was still broken and almost melted by Endeavor but pieced together again while still being red hot.

Also do you notice in neither of those arts AFO has the rewind effects over him? Considering it was the plot reason he recovered his face in the first place, is a bit weird that the art of Horikoshi doesn't present him being under rewind.

And yeah I know all this can be attributed to simple creative freedom and Horikoshi though mix both designs was cool or something.

But I can't help and make my theories about this.

Can these arts be a sort of "what if" scenario?

As I said before is interesting to remember that Deku never actually fight against AFO directly on his real body, they never even encouter each other in that state for that matter, they only interacted via ShigAFO.

So maybe Horikoshi at some point had a totally different display for the final battle? One that involved Deku vs AFO and a different use of rewind.

Considering in both arts "prime" AFO appears maskless with his outfit intact, I wonder if the real revelation moment when the heroes managed to destroy his new mask wasn't seeing his potato face, but he already got his face restored offscreen.

Which could also explain why Horikoshi didn't drawn AFO with the rewind effects in the art. As probably the idea of him being on a time counter that will banish him wasn't originally part of the story and only was a leter addition.

So in this alternative scenario rather than go back to fight ShigAFO directly, Deku instead for some reason ends up in front of the original AFO and they have a real battle, just as it was represented in the cover art.

Don't know how the story should continue from that point, as it probably would change a lot more of how the rest of the final battle will play.

You forgot to add a very important reason of why Sukuna is more universally beloved by pretty much the entire JJK fandom, whereas in MHA there's no villain who really fits this criteria (at least no serious villains because you can't count Gentle in this lmao).

Anyway, this reason is simply that Sukuna narrative role is pretty much perfectly defined and almost never deviates from being an evil bastard without almost any redeeming feature. Unlike Shigaraki for example, who is more or less the 2nd more appreciated villain behind Dabi, and the narrative constantly goes back and forth between him being pure evil and a misundestood victim who need to be saved.

Sukuna as well most JJK villains are pretty straighfoward in terms of being villains without lack atributes that makes them complex characters, something that MHA certainly lacks as Horikoshi has a problem to give his villains a victim conplex while makes the comically evil at the same time.

And look I know both series have different narrative porpuses for their villains, but then again AFO is much more similar to JJK villains in most aspects. Yet like you said a big difference on why he's not as beloved as the rest of the villains on his own series is simply because Horikoshi constantly downplays him in favor of Shigaraki for example.

It surely doesn't help that AFO isn't conventionally attractive for most of the series while Shigaraki certainly is, despite some people can joke about his look the reality is that he's drawn as attractive and this is reflected on how readers react to him.

If AFO looked like this for most of the series I'm sure the opinions about him would be much more inclined to he positive:

Is a shame Horikoshi dropped the ball so hard with AFO.

I have the feeling that he regreted get rid of him back in Kamino and later struggled to justify his return and glory moments. At the same time he can't fully commit to make AFO way to perfect because HK is still obsessed with Shigaraki for some reason.

There's no room for both villains obviously, and the one that should've stayed is AFO.

If Horikoshi made AFO the definitive villain from the very beginning without switch between him and Shigaraki every 5 minutes, and if AFO was always attractive and with more "aura" moments he would be equally loved as Sukuna?

Well who knows really, but in my opinion all these factors surely could have affected a lot of the public perception.

Same applies to other villains like Overhaul, who are more loved than AFO despite being equally evil as him but sadly Kai didn't last too much either so he's not as popular as Shigaraki who gets constant attention.

Hello, do you mind if I ask your opinion on this :

What do you think that made a villain/antagonist characters are loved by many people? Like, why do you think Sukuna (JJK) is more loved by fans compared to AFO or even Shigaraki (BNHA)?

Also, why do you think Bakugou (BNHA) & Gojo (JJK) are so well loved by the fans of both series?

And, I've read somewhere that "......if Gojo and Bakugou's characters were female (with the same personality) then they will be hated by many..." Do you agree?

P.s

I know you're anti Bakugou, sorry if it's made you uncomfortable to talk about character you dislike, I just love to read your writings.

There are many reasons as to why villains/antagonists are loved by many people, but if I had to sum it up I think that :

Compared to the protagonists, because the antagonists are already demonised and usually called out by the narrative, people tend to find the little redeeming qualities that antagonists have and exemplify it by a 1000 X almost babying the villains while doing the exact opposite to the heroes because the narrative treats the heroes the opposite.

However, when talking about why some antagonists like sukuna are liked a lot more than other antagonists such as AFO, there are a variety of such as :

Characteristics they may have. Sukuna by the jjk fandom is interpreted as someone who is actually intimidating, can be a bit funny but ultimately gets down to business and is seen as an actual threat unlike AFO who just becomes and is written terribly that he doesn't particularly add any tension or emotion into the story

Their goals. Sukuna wants power. He wants to be on top, and he is described as a force of nature that can't be controlled. Yes, in some certain circumstances, he and AFO are similar, but sukuna is able to convey his goals, and the overall development of them from beginning to end is just better than AFO especially with how connected he ends up being g to the jujitsu world.

Their narrative treatment. The way the narrative treats both AFO and sukuna is complete different and it's the way the narrative treats sukuna that makes sukuna more enjoyable and a better character as he for example, is given many opportunities to show case his destructive and malicious behaviour compared to AFO. In the series, AFO is a lot more like a parasite harming many factors of the writing, but this is quite the opposite to sukuna.

Essentially, I think this is the best way to explain the differences in sukuna and AFO and why sukuna is a lot more enjoyable to people and overall better written.

However, I would also like to add that, in general, people like villains a lot more if the said villains are attractive, have a sense of charisma + charm to them, and if the villain ends up being powerful. These criteria end up being checked by sukuna, and AFO kinda fails to meet them, taking in the general fandoms opinion.

As to why characters like bakugo and Gojo are really popular, I think the reasons for that are:

Attractiveness. People find these characters really attractive, and if you have ever been in a fandom, then you know the lengths people will go to, to protect a character who is good-looking. People will overlook the characters' flaws and even valid criticism just because a character is hot. (Like beauty privilege for characters is so insane that you have people trying to defend/justify mei mei because she is pretty)

They're cool/they're badass. Ultimately, characters like bakugo and gojo are really cool. You see, a lot of people cheer them on because they think that this very powerful character is strong and they're someone who they kinda aspire to be as in that person is incredibly influential, they're strong, they're badass etc.

People think they're well written. Characters being well written is a subjective opinion personally I think gojo is a well written character but I don't think bakugo is a well written character. Ultimately, if a character is incredibly dynamic within the series they tend to change and get more moments that makes the audience connect with them.

Now with the statement below I kinda have mixed opinions on it.

Yes, misoginor in fandoms is a big problem that affects the interpretation of characters, and yes, it's been established that people tend to treat female characters a lot more harshly than male characters. Due to this, we got the whole you can't handle complex female characters trend. However, as time passes, I do like to believe that misoginor and racism in fandoms are problems that are becoming more recognised and that more and more people are starting to actually understand characters without being racist or misogynistic.

However, I understand that this is a very idealistic and optimistic view so I will say that if bakugo and gojo were to be female characters with the same personality you would probably have SOME people hate them due to misoginor.

But alas, I think that they wouldn't be as hated and would still be popular. I mean, in MHA, we literally have miriko, who is liked by many fans, and she, in my opinion, is very similar to bakugo.

(Gojo, on the other hand, might be a bit more complicated case)

Before ending this, I wanna say that there seems to be certain character flaws that people like or hate more if a character has them.

For example, there are certain character traits that make people hate characters no matter if they're protagonists or antagonsit or in between. These characteristics are :

Naivety

Ignorance

Hypocrisy

"Crybaby" characters

Cowards

I will say that these characteristics are things that people really hate in a character, and the fandom tends to hate characters that portray these characteristics at first. However, as you can see from the characters I have listed below, the fandom does slowly warm up to them after a while.

Essentially, I can understand why people may hate characters with these traits, especially when the world they're in is built to jarringly contrast the characteristics they have, making them seem annoying to the viewers. However, they are needed to add a huge layer of complexity to the series a lot of the time.

You can't take sexist Dabi away from me!

But seriously I love the idea for multiple reasons, one of them being that is a direct response to the whole "lov are sjw" that lov fans love to circlejerk just to make them look more noble compared to the "problematic" characters like Endeavor or Overhaul especially.

Just think on Dabi having to share space with Toga after that makes it extra hilarious.

And another important reason is because as you know I ship DabiTen a lot, but here's a thing: I like Geten being a trans boy.

So the consequences of Dabi being super sexist but at the same time Geten being sort of the love of his life are fun because it will drive him mad for clash with his own beliefs. I imagine a situation in which Dabi tries to have sex with Geten, but when he found what Geten haves under his clothes it left him in shock.

Ah the sweet drama.

For some reason I think this is Dabi's favorite book ever:

Hahahahaha hahahahaha

Listen @nyc3 I do love some good old joke "Dabi is a sexist" but in canon...we don't see much to proof that. He was rude to his mom and sis one time ? Sure. He was under a fucked up situation as he knew why he was born.

Plus when he wakes up from the coma, he wanted to see his mother and sister.

Funny jokes

But don't think dabi is a sexist.