The Fact That People Are Genuinely, Unironically Arguing Against The Idea That You Should Listen To Transmascs

trans women, i love you.

you were a woman yesterday. you're a woman today. you're a woman tomorrow. you're a woman forever.

trans women have existed long before those stuffy bigots sitting in a court room have. trans women will continue to exist long after they're dead and rotting in the earth.

Yeaaaah transandrophobes are prone to misgendering any trans person they don't like, because according to them we're all secretly anti-feminist men in disguise :(

Seriously though, I think it's the attitude a lot of them have that goes "I only care about other queer people who are exactly like me and share my beliefs and experiences. Everyone else is my enemy." So it blows their mind when people who aren't trans men advocate for y'all. They can't comprehend caring about other people.

Oh! So apparently “transandrobros” is used to describe anyone who sticks up for trans men, so this means that any trans woman/fem who sticks up for us is targeted and misgendered! That’s awesome! This will definitely protect trans women and fems from transmisogyny!

btw there's so much discourse on my feed rn and I think I need some people to just step off of tumblr and meet people outside their circles. Does wonders for you btw x

Intersex people: Please don't use these words, they are slurs against us.

official-penis-posts: Uh, that's too complicated... I'm scared... why are you all so mean to me...

Here we have, yet another intersexism train wreck involving a gimmick blog!

Our saga starts here. This original ask was tagged with "#intersex appreciation" for context.

Next we have, how not to respond to being corrected on your intersexism!

Imagine if someone used literally any other queerphobic slur & stereotyped a group of queer people. Now imagine someone took the time to clarify why this is bad and that alternative words exist - and then their response was "ok whatever block me".

You'd be dragged and publicly derided as a queerphobic bigot if this was about any other group in the queer community. But not when it's intersex people. We are considered an acceptable target, and our voices are seen as "tumblr level reading comprehension", and people love to "correct" others using more slurs.

You are right, official-penis-posts, that is another slur. And how did you respond?

Not well. To say the least. "Because everything's a slur" you sound like an anti-woke podcast guy.

"I live in the real world"? Seriously? I do too, @official-penis-posts, and my real world involves being called a fucking hermaphrodite in an urgent care by an actual medical professional who very rudely questioned why my genitals were weren't (typo) "corrected" (mutilated) when I was a child. It involves people calling me a futanari in high school. It involves people being disgusted at what "a real hermaphrodite's" genitals look like when I decide share that as a sexually active adult.

And for the record the anon correction is wrong here too, hermaphrodite is a slur in every context and has referred to intersex human beings long before it was ever used for cosexual animals. Stop saying fucking slurs.

Hello person who runs the penis gimmick blog, as an intersex person who used to follow you and thinks dick jokes are funny; I'd like you to apologize for your intersexism and the way you responded to intersex people correcting you. Intersexism is an incredibly widespread form of bigotry, most people have intersexist ideas and worldviews unless it is corrected. What I dislike is the way you have dismissed intersex people's concerns as overdramatic whiney nonsense and chose to just delete your posts to save face instead of apologizing.

if these people put half the energy they pour into discourse into something productive, like... calling their representatives, or putting up fliers, or volunteering for queer youth groups... the world would be a much better place. I'd much rather have a good cis ally than someone who's willing to exclude other queer people to keep him out.

Alright. I'm going to vague about some discourse I've been seeing because I don't want to argue with people. But I have to get this off my chest bc this is pissing me off.

Hey, asshole. Instead of being "frightened" that people (TRANS PEOPLE) don't like your take that cishet men should be excluded from queer friendly spaces, maybe take a second to think about why.

Maybe talk to cis black butch women who are often perceived as men and you'll understand why.

Maybe talk to trans women who don't pass/ can't pass and you'll understand why.

Maybe talk to trans men who do pass and you'll understand why.

Maybe talk to genderfluid people who present masc sometimes and you'll understand why.

It's not that we are obsessed with cishet men. It's that there is no workable solution to exclude people from queer spaces based on identity without also harming the above named populations. You can yap all day about excluding the cishet men from our spaces, but the question remains: how are you going to enforce that policy? If you talked to us, you'd understand that there is no way to enforce it without either interrogating us, excluding us, or both. And that should upset you.

Can you please spend energy caring about something that could actually bring good to the queer community???

I'm gonna be real with you and say that it's not really progressive when you see black characters/POC coded characters and instantly talk about how cool they are because they piss of bigots.

I'm sorry but like, can I draw the joy of myself and my racial identity without thinking about how politicized my existence is Thanks.

do you actually care about trans men or do you relegate male pregnancy to the status of "gross but funny fanfiction trope" at best and "literal body horror" at worst? do you actually care about trans men or have you accepted without question the ideas that bottom growth is a borderline-torturously painful process and phalloplasty is a dangerous surgery with objectively unsatisfactory results because they confirm your implicit assumptions about the violence and horror of masculinization? do you actually care about trans men or do you think testosterone being a controlled substance is fair because you prioritize fairness in sports more highly than transmasculine lives? do you actually care about trans men or do you distance yourself from us as we transition and make half-joking comments about us being traitors because you view transmasculinity as a shift from ally to enemy? do you actually care about trans men or do you get mad at us when we read transmasculine experiences into female characters because you see it as an act of theft and believe transmasculinity is inherently less valuable than womanhood? do you actually care about trans men or is your first thought when you see a transition timeline about how pretty the "before" picture is? do you actually care about trans men or does your interest in our lives begin and end with how badly you want a boypussy to fuck?

do we exist to you as real people or only in theory? do you read the stories we tell, listen to the music we make? how many of us can you name? when we speak, do you listen? would you fight for us? do you trust us to know ourselves best? are you our friend? do you mourn us when we're gone? do you care for us while we're still here?

Oh, and just in case there was any confusion:

Claiming that anyone who disagrees with you is a big scary antifeminist MAN is a tried and true terf tactic, so it's fucking weird to see it from another trans person.

I'm not a man, but I definitely think radfems are a fucking plague on the queer community, be they cis or trans.

Name a better couple than transphobic trans people/misgendering anybody they don't like, I'll wait

My posts are all: "Hey, don't talk over trans men when they want to discuss their oppression!" "Nonbinary people aren't being treated very well right now, and we're being erased by the rest of the community." "Trans men and trans women aren't enemies." "Care about identities that aren't your own, include other trans people in your advocacy."

Which is apparently a grave enough offense to misgender me and compare me to a nazi, go figures.

It goes to show that some people are really transphobic before they transition, and they refuse to address this after their egg cracks.

god i love being an intersex trans woman. i love that being a woman doesn't invalidate that i'm also a man. i can be a wo/man. im glad i can be a butch woman. im glad i can be a genderqueer woman. i'm so glad to be able to express myself as a woman with a beard and deep voice. im glad i can just be a woman however i want to. women don't have to conform to any norm. women are allowed to be diverse. women are allowed to break gender expectations. women are allowed to fuck with gender. god i love womanhood. i was taught to hate it but i've learned to love it. i love being a woman

You all realize Feminists have been critiquing "women only spaces" for decades right?

I think often about Audre Lorde's critique of a women only event that welcomed her wife and daughter, but not her son. Because she questioned it - the function and purpose of barring even the sons of Feminist women from Feminist events. Especially the barring of her young Black son, who would otherwise be left alone in the city where he would be more prone to the very violence those same Feminist women claimed to want to change.

Because what functional, forward thinking Feminist purpose does it actually serve to do that? What message does that send to women with sons, husbands, brothers, lovers, friends, who want to involve the men and boys in their lives in their activism? Who want to build a functionally better world for us all outside of the oppressive grasp of Patriarchy? Especially for the marginalized men who often sit at their own intersection violent Patriarchal oppression, that still happens to be Patriarchal oppression despite it not being distinctly misogyny?

What purpose does it truly serve to sequester yourself away into a pocket of the world, detached from those you share it with? What bright and shining future does that really promise you?