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Book 6 spoilers

Some Shroud thoughts

Someone I find very interesting in book 6 has to be Ortho, phantom Ortho to be more specific. Original Ortho and his relationship with our Ortho

Basically the ramblings of a crazy person about Shroud brothers

In the jp server, there is a line that ORTHO says "I wonder what else Ortho would do for nii-san." Which was changed in eng, "Ortho" was replaced with "I". It implies that ORTHO looks towards Ortho for advice, never receiving any as the dead cannot talk. ORTHO wants to be Ortho Shroud, or at least the best Ortho Shroud he could be so Idia wouldn't be sad anymore. Which makes his choice to end the world make sense, he wants to do it because Ortho Shroud would do it and also to make Idia happy again.

When Ortho and ORTHO meet, the original line was "pleasure to make your acquaintance, me" the kanji was "me" while the voice over said "Ortho" which I think is a pretty cool detail. Ortho accepts ORTHO as himself, and does not seem to resent him for taking his spot as Ortho Shroud.

Idia originally was against the idea of ending the world, it was until ORTHO calls him "nii-chan" instead of his usual "nii-san", desperate to get his brother back, Idia runs down to Tartaros. It is shown that Idia will do anything for Ortho in the attempts to make him happy, in his flashback, he hacks the security system so Ortho could have an adventure with his big brother, and once again he is doing something FOR Ortho to make him happy. Idia doesn't see the point in doing anything because nothing will change, he'll always be a Shroud, but if Ortho asked him, he'd run down several flights of stairs to grant his wish. Because whatever Ortho wants, Ortho gets.

My interpretation of that is because Idia understands his fate, he will have no freedom, ever. But his little brother didn't (I'll expand on that later), so in his attempts to keep his innocence, he will grant Ortho whatever he wants. If Ortho wants to go on an adventure, fine. If Ortho wants to reset the world, fine. Whatever made him happy.

I think Idia would've done the exact same for ORTHO, it was just because of his shock that he had acted like that to ORTHO, the situation of a cyber attack on the security system brought back unwanted memories, causing him to accidentally lash out at ORTHO. I believe Idia holds no real resentment to Ortho.

Now back to Ortho, in Idia's flashback, he said "why's that? I want us both to be!" In response to Idia saying he cannot be a hero but Ortho probably could. It implies that Ortho lacks the understanding that he's a Shroud and will never have freedom. He's still ignorant, a trait that Idia does not have. Which leads me to believe that Ortho doesn't fully understand the concept of phantoms, he doesn't understand that being his brother's phantom, he is hurting him. He doesn't understand that by being his brother's phantom, he is slowly killing his brother. Which just makes their dynamic so much more depressing

Now to the scene where Ortho and Idia talk, Ortho telling Idia to live for him. I have two interpretations of this scene, one is the popular one which is Ortho just wanting Idia to be happy. My second interpretation is just, Ortho pretending to be mature so his brother wouldn't be sad anymore. He knows that his brother was willing to die just for him, and he doesn't want that because his brother shouldn't suffer. I believe that because well, ghosts don't age, and Ortho still acts pretty childlike, he acts like he's 8 but also a mixture of the age he should've been, 16. I feel as if it's because he doesn't wish for Idia to worry anymore

But hey that's just a theory

I wonder how terrifying the first weeks of Idia and (robot) Orthos existence must have been.

Imagine building this machine with your lost brother's voice, face etc. But this machine gradually learns, and it only came into existence mere moments ago. So far only reproducing information it has been given. It has his voice and face, but it's manner of speaking and emoting is stiff. It's uncanny. They cannot hug like they used to. It feels wrong to feel cold metal around you when you expected a warm embrace. It can only watch or run analytics on you, while you hysterically cry whenever you are confronted with the fact that your brother is truly gone and this machine, despite years of work, will never replace him. It has all of his features, but it is not your brother and it will never be him. You are stuck between hating it for what it isn't, and longing for closeness because it has your brothers face and memories.

Imagine experiencing life for the first time, with implemented memories, that aren't your own. Of a boy you have never known, who no longer exists. Now having to look after a boy who is absolutely horrified at what you are but also in need of comfort that you are not able to give him. His reactions are unreasonable and erratic, because you do not understand the concept of mourning and guilt yet. There is nothing you can do for him, yet it is your purpose, your responsibility to be an object of comfort. You can hold him, you can talk to him, you have learned that these actions are meant to be comforting, but you don't understand then yet. but it isn't enough. You are a replacement with no identity of your own besides the memory of someone long gone, but no matter how far advanced you will become, you will never be able to perfect his brother's image. You are a machine who will never be able to fulfill the only task it was built for.

They are both confused, isolated, lost, not being able to comprehend their situation. Stuck in a perpetual cycle of trying to bond and staying away from eachother.

Fucking obsessed with the possible art symbolism and foreshadowing behind Idia's groovy sfdghfjgfhfh.

In art, usually the direction a character is facing can be interpreted as symbolic foreshadowing of the path they'll be taking. If the character is facing an illuminated path, it's hero-coded, if it's a darkened one, it's villain-coded or foreshadowing tragedy, etc.

Idia... has his body facing the illuminated path of the Hercules painting, but his face is placed in such a way that it's between the darkened Hades painting behind him and the Herc one. Still, he's looking at Hercules, not at Hades.

TL;DR

Idia's body → Hercules Idia's eyes → Hercules Idia's face → not facing Hercules but not facing Hades either, perfectly in the middle between them

Idia's eyes facing Herc rather than Hades is also so damn important, because it's said that the eyes are the windows of the soul, like. Do you get me. Idia's soul is facing the hero, not the villain, even if he's seemingly dismissive of Hercules.

(According to this TL, Idia's saying "He’s a hero from mythology. That sparkling gaze… He looks like he’s sure of his bright future. There’s no way his life could have turned out so well… I hope he doesn’t get carried away and float down the river of the underworld." Which... honestly sounds like self-projection mixed with a bit of wistful envy rather than true dislike of Herc, considering Idia's and Ortho's childhood desires of becoming heroes (and admiring heroes themselves!), and the tragedy that came with them. Idia, too, was sure of his bright future, until reality shattered his dreams in the most life-has-no-meaning-or-direction-or-sense way possible. And of course, the tragedy that jaded him so much did carry someone away down the river of the underworld. Idia is speaking from experience here sfddhfdgdgv.)

The poetic cinema of it all. After the lessons he learned in Book 6, Idia's on his way to becoming a hero, whatever this means in terms of being STYX's heir. Inwardly he's still stuck between the optimism of the future and the doom and gloom of the past, but he's tentatively focusing on the happy future, taking Ortho's words to heart ("I know you can go the distance, it's not your time yet"). I'm so excited to see what this means in terms of his long-term character arc.

And in terms of Book 7, of Idia's immediate development, I predict that this groovy foreshadows Idia's role in stopping OB!Malleus, finally becoming a hero, even if momentarily, but also his role in helping Malleus accept that Lilia is leaving him aka dealing with grief and loss. Essentially moving forward to the future (body and eyes facing the Herc picture), but without forgetting the lessons of the past (head tilted between Hades and Herc).

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