Ou i was just talking to someone about this so the thoughts r fresh
(Also ignore any typos, if u see something spelled wrong NO YOU DIDNT)
I think that, for me personally (not dogging on any HCs that arent this, headcannon whatever floats your boat!!), their relationship would be healthiest if it kind of happened on accident
And im not talking the "heat of the moment, we just stumbled into bed together and woah now we're in love" type of thing, I'm talking the kind of slowburn in which they very slowly over the course of Yavin to Hoth, end up falling into this cycle of domesticity without even realizing it
I think that they would be, understandably, weird and akward around each other on Yavin. They are both well aware of their history, and they dont know how to approach it now that they're working on the same side.
But if Kallus just KEEPS getting assigned to the Ghost Crew for missions, Zeb would be forced to see all the ways in which Kallus is changing as he slowly breaks down his Imp persona. From that point I think that it would be a lot easier for them to become friends.
But even after they become friends, i dont think there would be feeling there yet, because heres the thing: it would take TIME for Zeb to truly process in order to forgive and befriend Kallus, and it would take even more time for Kallus to transform into a person that Zeb could fall in LOVE with. And on the Kallus side of things, he is working through deconstructing every aspect of who he has been for the past 18 years whilst doing his darndest to contribute to the Rebellion. I personally think that he's be both far too busy and far too emotionally immature to even foster those feelings for Zeb in the first place.
Either way, post Lothal Liberation, I think they'd become closer as Kallus helps out around the Ghost in the ways he can while Sabine, Hera, and Zeb struggle through their grief. I think that this era would be a time when Zeb would have to be a real rock and place of comfort for Sabine and Hera, and even though he knows that they are equally there for him, Sabine is still young and shouldnt have to deal with more grief than she already is, and Hera? She just lost her psudo-husband and is now finding how that shes PREGNANT WITH KANANS CHILD???? WHIKST LEADING A REBELLION??? Thats emotionally DEVASTATING, Zebs not going to cry on her shoulder, she has enough going on. And I mean, theres Rex, but he's kind of removed from it all-- he's seen so many of his brothers die in combat that Kanan and Ezra (although he's not dead, just lost) were not the first and he knows that they will not be the last.
So that leaves Kallus, who, at this point in their friendship, I think would be very willing to be a shoulder for Zeb to cry on. And I think that this emotional vulnerability would kind of cement their friendship as something very real and very close.
After the destruction of the Death Star, the Rebellion moves to Mako-Ta docking station, and as far as housing recruits goes, theyre somewhat limited to the large transports that they have in their possesion, which-- compared to the empire-- is not a lot. Also, atp, the Rebellion is getting a MASSIIVEEEEE surge of new recruits, the Destruction of the Death Star let the people of the galaxy know that the Rebellion had a chance, and that probably inspired a lot of people to join.
All this to say, freeing up space on those cruisers by bunking people together in groups of 3-4 OR on ships with crews, would be of utmost priority.
So... if Kallus is already working closely with the Ghost Crew... he LITERALLY helped LIBERATE LOTHAL.... He and Sabine get along, but WAY MORE IMPORTANTLY, he and ZEB arent just friends, theyre BEST friends............. why would Hera not offer him a spot on the Ghost if those cruisers NEED THE SPACE.....????
So begins-- in my brain-- the start of the "Kallus is apart of the Ghost Crew" agenda, and its during this era that Kallus and Zeb begin the slow slide into domesticity.
Because heres the thing, they are both VERY smart, and if they really thought about it at this point in time, they would probably both agree that a relationship between them would have A LOT of potential for getting messy quick and taking a nose dive south.
But if they dont really think about it.... and if they end up idk... spending their evenings together plahing holochess, or making a cup of caf for one another in the morning, or if they end up kind of just falling asleep on one another during family movie night-- not because they WANT a relationship, but just because they care so deeply about one another, even if they dont have a label for what that caring means, or what it even is, or WHY it even is, yk?
And I think that, eventually, they'd reach a point (probably during the Hoth era or shortly after) where Hera would tell them that they need to really think about what was happening in between them. Hera made the mistake of not saying anything because she thought that she and Kanan would have more time. She thought that being in a war was a reason NOT to acknowledge things for what they were. She wouldn't want these two to make that same mistake.
And from there I think that they'd talk about it. And it would be kinda awkard, and theyre sort of worried about the whole thing, but if they're already in a dynamic where theyre basically already ACCIDENTALLY together???? Its kind of like... "well, fuck it, we're already in it, lets see what happens ig. If we ended up in a relationship accidentally, idk maybe we could do it on purpose"
Anyways thats just a whole lot of yapping all to say that I think that they end up accidentally being the Kanera of Hoth and that their relationship is far more realistic, and healthy, if its more of a slowburn yk?
Actually, I'm so feral over the fact that Zeb and Kallus are very much implied to be slow burn. Through S4 we don't get a lot of implication of them being particularly close 'till the epilogue and in the one comic with Kallus that takes place post defection Zeb isn't mentioned. They don't leave for Lira San 'til the war ended - approximately five years after the liberation of Lothal. This, to me at least, implies that while Zeb and Kallus built a sense of common ground and respect, it wasn't an instant attraction that immediately developed into more. It most likely took years for them to develop the groundwork for a friendship and it's possible that they hadn't even gotten together yet by the time they made it to Lira San. Honestly I think it's kind of cute to think that they worked hard to establish a friendship and even so it didn't happen 'til Zeb initiated it quite a while after Kallus defected, only doing so after seeing how much Kallus had changed and made an effort to do better and help people.
I honestly think feelings might've developed between them earlier than either of them were ready for. Kallus definitely wouldn't want to push those feelings onto Zeb unprompted and only admit to them if Zeb was to bring it up, but I think initially Kallus would definitely feel uncomfortable with the idea and I definitely think Zeb would agree with him on those feelings and they'd agree to just remain friends for the time being.
I could definitely imagine Lira San being the turning point in their relationship. While Kallus has obviously grown to be a better person there was definitely still a subconscious part of Zeb that didn't entirely trust him to be truly accepting of all Lasats - what if Zeb was just an exception? Seeing Kallus show respect, repentance and love towards the people and culture of Lira San might be the piece of closure Zeb didn't realize he needed. Likewise, Kallus needed to face the people and culture he almost destroyed. He needed to truly understand the extent of the damage he had caused, but not just to feel guilt, but to learn to have a greater appreciation and love for the people he once hated.
I think the implication of the epilogue is that Zeb didn't really tell Kallus about Lira San 'til the war was over. Which implicates that it took them a long while to built up that level of trust - understandably so
And idk, it kinda makes me love them more? Like their love didn't just happen outside of their control. It was a conscious choice and required huge efforts from both of them
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I absolutely think there's an underlying angst to Zeb and Kallus' relationship at its core. Kallus experienced something traumatic that made him view all Lasat as violent monsters. Which is obviously a messed up viewpoint and one he's doing his best to consciously challenge... But there's definitely moments in the beginning where the subconscious fear gets the better of him. Waking up from a ptsd nightmare to a Lasat reaching for him is not something he handles with much grace or sensitivity and it's definitely a thing that complicates their relationship.
It's worse for Zeb, 'cause while Kallus is left with guilt and shame, Zeb has to deal with burning anger and resentment during similar episodes. When he has a flashback Kallus is just about the last person he wants to see the face of, and unlike Kallus he can't just reprimand himself for misplaced emotions 'cause Kallus carries more blame than Zeb likes to think of. It definitely takes him a long time to reconcile the Kallus he knows - loves - with the Kallus who made his world - his family - crumble to pieces, even if part of his people survived.
It's a lot - to Kallus, Zeb is worth it. He can't quite wrap his head around how, but somehow Zeb thinks he's worth it too - they're worth it.
do you think prev is older or younger than you?
Thinking about Kallus. Thinking about the Empire. Thinking about how a fascist dictatorship can take over the minds of a population. I think more people should think about Kallus' defection the way they think about leaving high demand religions or cults. (not trying to absolve him of the shit he did, I'm just thinking things) I'm not a cult expert or anything, but if you're on tiktok I'm sure you've come across knitting cult lady, she's a cult expert who was raised in the children of god cult and she's mentioned more than once that the US military (which she was also in) is a cult, but people don't like thinking about it like that. But we grow up with all the propaganda about the army and there are recruiters going to schools and doing pull up challenges and there are ads on tv about how honorable and noble joining the military is, and how much good the military does (like technology research, paying for your education, providing jobs, benefits, etc.) to make it seem like it's a benevolent thing to do. And I have to wonder if that's what growing up on Coruscant was like. Ads every commercial break about joining the Republic's Military Academy, recruitment stations, veterans days and memorial days and military appreciation month and whatnot, and from Kallus' perspective joining the military would've been seen as honorable from the jump. Just wearing his uniform out and about for whatever reason got him "thank you for your service" and everything.
Then when you join, men shave their heads and women don't (maintains rigid gender binaries and division within the cult) and rigid body standards are maintained as well. This is something the US military does, too. It doesnโt matter how good you are at your job if you don't look the part, you'll be trimmed down until you do. There are real service members who've left the service that have confirmed as much. And think about it, when is the last time you saw a US army commercial with someone who wasn't conventionally attractive or uber thin. Controlling food is a surefire way to keep people in line, dependent on your organization, and too weak to resist. Cult shit. Worth noting that storm trooper armor is rigid. As far as we can tell, there's no way to adjust the plating, expand it, restrict it, whatever. It must be worn at the size it comes in. Which means body size must be maintained no matter what your body wants to do naturally. Also Leia's famous "aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?", could be she was just trying to antagonize, could be she meant it literally. It's also worth noting that Kallus, like the stormtroopers, wears rigid plate armor. So the people who give him an eating disorder upon his defection, or the inability to regulate his own body's needs are exactly right.
Cults also have the 'skinny-white woman' near the top of the cult. It's the female counterpart to the cults patriarchal leader (doesn't have to be skinny, doesn't have to be white, it's just an archetype). I don't think the Empire has one specifically (maybe in legends, Mara Jade? but I don't know enough about legends, so I could be wrong), but I think that it's kind of broken up into different regions or sects, or there's more than one or something. Because if you look at Lothal, there's Thrawn, who is the local patriarchal leader of the cult, and Pryce, who is the 'skinny-white woman'. She has to defer to Thrawn despite being the Governor of Lothal and Thrawn being a 'guest' so-to-speak in the region. There's also the Grand Inquisitor (patriarchal leader) and Minister Tua (skinny-white woman) and Vader (patriarchal leader) and the 7th sister (skinny-white woman) (though she does kind of share her position with the 5th brother) throughout the series. Kallus always works for the patriarchal leader, and is usually equal to the skinny-white woman in the chain of command, but ISB seems to be its own entity, so he's not quite as dependent on that hierarchy as the other imperials on Lothal, which gives him some leeway that others don't have.
As for the harm he would cause. Yeah, he caused it. No one's denying that. But in the eyes of a Coruscanti, he was still just a vet. Probably had arguments about healthcare with the VA's office, would go home and have the narrative reinforced that he was doing the honorable thing, then would go back out into the field and try to maintain that slim grasp on what he was told was good. And I think this is why a lot of people are very uncomfortable with Kallus. Because he's a veteran and we all want our veterans to be taken care of and we all grill on memorial day and so on. And we don't want to think of our neighbors, and the women who've fought for the right to serve, and the queer people who've fought for the right to serve, as just abject bad guys. Like, yeah we'll critique the military industrial complex all day long, but our vets should be taken care of. Like they weren't all killing the same people for oil. And you can get online and wax poetic about how you're actually the special-special that always saw through all the lies and you think that all vets deserve to get spit in the eye. But no, you and I both know that's not true. I mean, George Lucas has confirmed that the rebellion is the Viet Cong, a militant leftist group that fought against the empire (Americans). And my grandpa fought in Vietnam. Or was it Korea. Or both. You see, I don't even know which one. You know why? I never asked. Either way, he got 'thank you for your service' and military discounts, and respect in his community, and blah blah blah. Because all of us are either directly in the cult of the US military OR directly affected by the cults' propaganda and then to see, accent aside, a US service member be blatantly evil and then acknowledge how blatantly evil he is, repent, turn around, and betray his home world, and the military industrial complex we've all been trained to love, makes us very angry because 'hey, you're not supposed to be self-aware'.
'Well, I don't love the military industrial complex, I'm the special-special >:(' ok what have you done that's helped destroy the military industrial complex other than complain about the healthcare vets receive and try to convince people not to use fireworks on the fourth of July. You benefit from colonialism. The US military is doing all the heavy lifting of colonialism globally allowing the US and Europe to benefit from ongoing systemic neo-colonial efforts, that's why the US military's budget is so overinflated.
'Well, Kallus still committed genocide,' so did your cousin that enlisted. In Star Wars, Anakin slaughtered a village of Tuskens and Padme married him and had children with him. Then he killed all the Jedi and Alderaan and got his redemption with Luke. Kylo Ren destroyed the entire Hosnian System and then got the girl. But yeah, those guys are space wizards and that distances them from real people so we don't think too hard about them. All the bad guys look like nazi ripoffs, so they're obviously evil and they stay evil for the most part, and all the good guys were always good guys. To us, at least. Sabine created a weapon that was designed specifically to slaughter her own people and their cultural heritage but that all happened off screen, so it's just interesting backstory for later. But Kallus? From space USA, not a wizard, and his about-face happened in real time for us. He looked right at us, holding up a mirror to us and our complacency and people had viscerally negative reactions to him, because we didn't like our own reflection. His redemption is so, so, so, so fascinating. Fascinating look at the US military. At least for me, I have so much fun doing analysis like this lol
I would've loved for Rebels to get into the weeds here, but I also understand why they didn't. He was a secondary antagonist from an animated kids show on Disney XD. So, naturally, they weren't going to get that in depth, especially with the military contracts that Disney has. I don't think they were planning on redeeming him at the beginning of the show. Sometimes characters kind of, come alive in a way, and say 'nu-uh, I wouldn't do that. Give me the pen, I'll write it,' and I very much get the feeling that's what Kallus did. If they had known from the beginning that they were going to redeem him, I think his backstory would've been different, but given the limited budget, and limited time, and the fact that he wasn't a main character, you know, these things happen. Real world stuff affects what happens in the writers room, and that's a bummer. But I'm also kind of happy I get to speculate and theorize the way I do. Like I said, it's fun. Anyway, I just think he's neat. I think his redemption is neat, and it was good enough for Zeb and his people, so it's good enough for me.
anyway, be nice. i'm just riffing to riff.
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Like... i am 99% sure that Kanan and Ezras models are not built like this ๐ญ
I feel like we as a society need to step back and take a moment to point out that Kallus' eyelashes are lowkey mad luscious
ESPECIALLY FOR A BLONDE GUY
Like what animator making his character model was like "hmmm i just feel like he's missing something..... OH! I KNOW; wet n wild impact black waterproof mascara ๐"
Something about the dynamic of Kallus and Zeb where people assume Kallus to be an upper class bureaucrat and Zeb to be a feral animal of the streets, but it's actually the exact opposite way around. The Specters take in Zeb and are taught how to curtsy. They take in Kallus and immediately stock up on rabies shots, just to be safe
Like I just love how upon meeting them people will fundamentally misjudge both of their characters and I def think Zeb and Kallus will use this to their advantage. Shenanigans ensue