i was thinking in the shower about how things would have turned out had Bentley managed to break into the Cooper Vault without needing to recruit anyone. for starters, there wouldn't be a Sly 3 lol... i mean Sly and Bentley would definitely have gone after Murray so An Opera of Fear and Rumble Down Under would have happened i guess but for the sake of the post let's say they wouldn't have asked the Guru to join the gang. so no Netherlands and no China meaning no Penelope and no Panda King, and by extent no Dimitri because of no deal in Netherlands.
removing Sly 3's secondary characters kinda puts things into perspective in terms of character development. in Sly 1 we collected Thievius Racconus pages as we got closer to the truth and Sly learned new tricks and honed his skills in preparation for his encounter with Clockwerk. Sly 2 was just a traumatic trainwreck altogether like SP really put the gang through the wringer idk how they survived.
in Sly 3 this development is brought about through the secondary characters and their relationships with the protagonists. Penelope drives a wedge between Sly and Bentley forcing the latter to muster up the courage and step outside of Sly's shadow for a minute; Panda King's return demands Sly to mature and let go of the past; Dimitri tests the gang's patience; both Penelope and Panda King contribute to the Murray van storyline which kinda exhibited that yea! in the long run, Murray might be the dummy of the group as Dr Michael chastises at the end but he is definitely the heart of the gang.
but if all this never happened then how would Honour Among Thieves play out? funny thing is, even if they recruited the extended gang, shit hit the fan almost immediately upon arrival so i'm assuming the same would apply if the original trio had tried to pull it off on their own? no? as a sidenote: i'm also thinking that Sly 2 is the only game in the series that kinda had like the aspect of urgency if you think about it. someone stole the Clockwerk parts and they were going to rebuild him so tick tock bitch. Sly 1 and 3 however don't really have that sense of time pressure. the Fiendish Five were sitting on their asses for literally a decade before Sly popped up for the pages and don't even get me started on the possibility of Dr Michael managing to crack the Cooper Vault open like what a loser lmao. with this in mind, Bentley would have the time to develop his tech in order to do the tasks that the extended gang members would have done. i mean if he managed to build a time machine surely he could make his tech waterproof ?
so the entire heist goes according to plan with the possibility of them tripping that stupid alarm still at play. i never intended to do a full play by play "what if...?" of Honour Among Thieves but suffice to say Carmelita would 100% show up to save the day even with the change of context. i think the most important change would be that Bentley's run-in with Dr Michael would go down very differently. i don't think he'd defend Sly; i actually think Dr Michael would get to him even without Penelope's introduction because she only brought out feelings that were brewing deep in Bentley's subconscious (especially after the end of Sly 2, becoming disabled for a cause that was never his and that dedication arguably never being reciprocated). he might not have shown it in the moment but i think that conversation would significantly shape Bentley's character and if Sly got out of the episode unscathed, the gang would probably split. leaving the Guru behind would also give Murray the motive to go his own way.
it's clear that Sly 3's secondary characters helped the gang get over some unspoken issues they had between them, even if they got resolved behind each other's backs (because Bentley only vents to Penelope about his feelings and doesn't go straight to Sly, who, in turn, doesn't even know there's an issue to begin with). personally, and i feel kinda stupid for suggesting something so simplistic in relation to how this game would be better like 7-8 years after being on this godforsaken website and analysing it to the point where it feels like the bible, i feel like one more episode would help really flesh out the problems the gang had. we never get direct acknowledgment or accountability from Sly and it feels like he's too focused on entering the Vault to care about Bentley's feelings, or anyone else's for that matter (there's like 7 anon asks gathering dust in my inbox about why i have anti-Sly sentiment and that number better not go up). all it takes is a 'you know what guys? you should enter the vault with me after literally sticking by me since childhood and risking your lives fighting my own battles' and they shoot up the van like it's a guest on Wendy.
Sly 2's ending proved that the protagonists aren't Riverdale characters who just go through weekly life-threatening events without any guilt, trauma and anxiety; and then in Sly 3 we get high-stake situations akin to the ClockLa saga, like the Dragon snatching Penelope, but because it's crammed between episodes instead of games, the characters come out of it seemingly unfazed. the complete lack of recognition for all of this makes it seem like Sly is an awful leader for the gang. like i think Penelope would genuinely snap when she got taken hostage by LeFwee after the dragon thing.
i think the internal politics of the gang could have been explored way better but i understand that juggling that and the introduction of one new character per episode would be impossible. i'd love to see Bentley confronting Sly, Murray realising that he's getting more support about what matters to him (the van, the Guru's wellbeing) from the literal strangers they've recruited than his best friends, Sly realising that his lack of involvement in the gang's friendship is what turned Dr Michael against ConnEr. maybe Honour Among Thieves could have been a two-parter honestly. maybe the Dimitri Dr Michael piranha hybrid bossfight should have never made the cut.
The background colors were a pain in the ass but here is the mouse girl! I ironically have to yet draw any of the male characters in Sly Cooper but it's not my fault Penelope is so fun to draw.
Bentley: This plan isn't risky at all!
Also him: All I need to do is get really close to this wolf with these smelly darts...
let’s discuss the implications and the importance of Penelope’s introduction through the Black Baron and what it meant for her character development moving on, but without any formalities like post structure, intro, etc. because i have to read 6 Shakespeare plays by the beginning of term.
Flight of Fancy’s premise is that Bentley is looking for an RC specialist to help with the Cooper Vault heist and while searching for one, stumbles upon the supposed love of his life. the title itself literally embodies everything that happens in this episode: unrealistic ideas that couldn’t possibly work, but kudos for the great imagination !?!?? i mean if we strip the episode’s main points of any narration, it sounds like a fever dream. Muggshot returns and gets into an insult competition with Bentley, the big heist involves catapulting spinning windmills onto blimps, Sly survives too many aerial dogfights as an amateur. in the middle of all this, Bentley’s desire to get with Penelope, and Penelope thinking her Black Baron charade wouldn’t end are also two major unrealistic notions.
i’m seriously beating myself up trying to think if there’s an obscure element of homoeroticism at play here or if i’m being annoying (or both. i mean, probably). because absolutely no one suspected Penelope of being the Black Baron, which meant she played the part to a T, if it was even truly just a role (my opinion is that, as much as i hate TiT, Penelope most definitely has inner demons and villain potential, and the way all this is just swept under the rug at the end of the episode is so bizarre). so if Penelope’s masculinity - and masculinity is putting it lightly; sis really channeled her best Tom of Finland, butch queen, ultra-hetero taxidermy porn or some shit idk i don’t understand straighties - came out during the episode and Bentley was still persistent on wanting to bone after the big reveal, then ???? quite honestly, if this game came out today i’d just settle for gender is a social construct, but it didn’t so i’m genuinely curious as to finding out if Bentley is in touch with his femininity and if that was brought on by being a nerd and not an incel. we know SP wanted to make Murray bisexual originally, although we have to idea on what the taste level was gonna be on that (especially in 2002). i’m ending this point by saying that, when it comes to Bentley’s character development in regards to Penelope’s disguise, it defo lead to possibilities and ideas regarding his sexuality, his perception of gender and how in touch with his femininity he is. also, Penelope has a great British accent, we love to see it xx
i keep a cerebral log of my best moments from this hellsite, so let me quote myself: i think i put it best when i described Penelope as ‘a meek woman hiding behind a man’s disguise’ and what that meant. i always talk about how the sLy-VeRsE emulates life, from vices to corruption, from pollution to the treatment of feral animals. part of that includes gender politics and how women are mistreated. Carmelita, despite bringing in countless baddies (literally even a fucking evil mask), always gets shit from Barkley, for example. Penelope is no exception. for her to put her plans into motion she couldn’t do so as a woman, she had to dawn the disguise of the Black Baron. as a man, she is feared by everyone, even Dimitri, and has created an empire, living in a fucking castle lair. can we say girlboss ? i’d like to think that Sly beating her bossfight isn’t the only reason behind her dropping her guise. she is simply forced to overcome a horrible coping mechanism used to appease society. she got way too comfortable doing something which wasn’t right but it was ok. despite what i said about her having inner demons (who doesn’t?), she was never a villain. she was actually a victim of how the world works, so… yeah. that’s basically it.
although A Cold Alliance spotlighted Penelope’s chemistry with the rest of the gang in such a charming way, it wasn’t until Dead Men Tell No Tales that we really got to see her character post Black Baron. and i think for the most part, this was truly a mixed bag. we reach the climax of Penelope being pigeonholed into an unhealthy love triangle between Sly and Bentley (which i’m pretty sure Sly was 100% unaware about). as a baby playing this episode, girl i was living for the drama (Bentley shading Sly about ASCII *audible gasp, hand on chest*). in retrospect though, i couldn’t care less. i think Penelope wouldn’t care for either of them, whatever her sexual orientation is. however, i think it’s only natural she would pick Sly over Bentley. lil mama brawled with Sly on a fucking plane wing mid-flight. anyway, her being kidnapped by LeFwee didn’t quite make sense in my opinion. i mean, i’ve never been taken hostage on a desolate island inhabited by a clan of pirates and prehistoric lizards, but i’m pretty sure she could kick LeFwee’s sexist ass? let’s say the gang truly didn’t have a choice and this was worst case scenario, why did Penelope have to be the hostage again? wasn’t she just taken hostage by Tsao’s dragon? why couldn’t Bentley be kidnapped? LeFwee had beef with him over their competition of intellect, so why not take him instead? SP made progress with Penelope overcoming the Black Baron persona, why not switch the stereotypical gender roles here and have Penelope rescue Bentley, which would result in the same outcome of them getting together? i can’t be that mad at this because in the end she’s the one who fights LeFwee, bringing about the gender role swap i’ve just mentioned. and that’s fascinating. like, it makes sense for her to be able to handle a sword because she lived in a fucking castle for fuck’s sake. and the bossfight ends in one of the most brutal ways in the series, Penelope throwing LeFwee’s chauvinist ass to the sharks. i truly like this ending to the love triangle because it depicted a relationship based on a foundation of equality, equal forces. no one is being disrespected (by each other, not the SP writers unfortunately). and it’s interesting to consider that Penelope went from being a “villain” to accompanying Bentley in creating a new beginning for the Cooper legacy and lineage.
so yeah, to skip the formalities, Penelope is fucking awesome.
Bentley obliterates a ferris wheel and causes bodily injury to anyone who stands in its wake
Bentley plots the murder of 5 dingoes and 5 kangaroos
…. Bentley…. Did you sell your soul to the devil for that gadgetized wheelchair or what??
I saw this “Platonic Relationship Meme“ on Tumblr. And I decided to try it with Murray and Penelope. I have plans to try this with other BFF pairs. So feel free to toss out suggestions (fyi, I only plan to tackle characters I’m already familiar with). Thanks to sonicsora for the great idea!
Well, this was a wild election year. Please excuse me while I continue onward with rewriting Thieves In Time...
"I wish I could take back what I said."
"If only I had listened to you sooner."
"I can’t believe I hurt you like that."
"I should have been there for you."
"I regret every moment I made you feel unloved."
"I should have appreciated you more."
"I didn’t realize what I had until it was gone."
"I’m sorry for not being the person you needed."
"I wish I could undo all the pain I caused."
"I’ve made so many mistakes that I can’t fix."
Hey there. Just found your TiT rewrite. Love what I’ve seen. One question tho. Everyone has like idle animations in The safehouse in all the games but what would Penelopes be? And would they change possibly depending on how far in the she gets
I can see her reacting with surprise when the player selects her. But right before OP: Jurassic Thievery (Episode 3) and onwards, she'll be ready for action.
Perhaps she'll become more alert and comfortable as the game progresses, though I'm not sure exactly how to word out everything she does.
I think I'll also have Bentley react with panic if the player selects her when she doesn't have a mission assigned during Episodes 1 and 2. He stops doing that after the events of Episode 2's Jail Break.
As for her field animations... I'll think of something eventually. Yes, I do have a weapon setup ready for her.
One of my favorite moments in Sly 2 is the first time you go over the Contessa’s bridge.
You’re Bentley, completely alone. You have to make it to the first mission where Bentley eavesdrops on the Contessa. You struggle through the terrifying area outside the safehouse, which is swarming with guards, and then….
And then you get to an empty bridge.
The only way to get to the mission is by going over this completely empty bridge.
There are no guards. Those statues are unsettling, but everything here looks unsettling, so it’s fine. You feel like you’re finally in the clear.
So you start carefully walking across the bridge…. and THEN
HOLY SHIT THEY cOME TO LIFE????? RUN!
A TANK??? THERE’S A TANK TOO??? DON’T RUN THAT WAY
RUN UP THE RAMP WAIT THERE’S FLOOR-SPIKES???? AVOID THE FLOOR SPIKES
A big part of why I like Jailbreak is because the level hub is designed to give you these fun moments of “cartoon horror” that make you really get what the little characters are feeling.