Yes this. Because ASL is a full language, but not the one being used to tell the story, only the meaning rather than the form is kept.
However, I think Sara Novik's way of showing ASL dialogue in True Biz is cool and represents how space is used in ASL. I don't have the book so I can't post a picture but I wrote about it for a paper.
[Image ID: Screenshot of an essay. the paragraphs each have their own column. The first on the left, the second on the right, and the third in the middle.
The POV characters dialogue was in one area of the page,
And the other characters dialogue was in a different area.
If there were multiple characters in a conversation they would get their own space as they entered the conversation.
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Something I get mildly annoyed about in writing (mostly in fanfics, since I haven’t encountered a published book with this), is when sign language is depicted identical to speaking. Like, commas, contractions, stuttering, etc.
When I was taught ASL in high school, we were told there was a way to write down sign, but it’s not like how you’d write a spoken English sentence. Words are typically in all caps, lack any -ing/-ed, and have a different grammatical structure.
For example: “I went to school today” would be made into something like “TODAY SCHOOL I GO TO”
Obviously, I’m not someone who’s remotely fluent in ASL, and high school classes do not give me the right to winge and criticize on behalf of those who do speak it. I just found it odd that I’ve never seen Glossing used at all in writing, and it bugged me that signs were used essentially like spoken dialogue (how does one stutter in sign language?), when there’s a uniqueness to the language that gets erased in the process.
Not an app but the Knoxville Center of the Deaf will have free classes starting in January. If you can't wait, Bill Vicars has lessons for free on YouTube. I don't know of any free apps, but ASLDeafined is the one I recommend. Its $36/year. Here's a longer, more detailed list of resources if you're interested
Does anyone know any apps for learning asl that don’t require u to pay for lessons after the first few
Sources: SigningSavvy, Lifeprint, ASLDeafined
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The initialized sign for Family in American Sign Language. Both hands in F handshape start with thumbs and index fingers touching each other, then twist forward ending with pinkies touching. Movement is illustrated by arms that are translucent blue and pink in different stages of the sign. Background is white.
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Sources: SigningSavvy, Lifeprint, ASLDeafined
[Image ID: Bat in American Sign Language. Both hands with wrists crossed over signers chest flick out into the 1 handshape. Hands are purple with black nails. End ID]
Sources: SigningSavvy, Lifeprint, ASLDeafined
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Popular in American Sign Language. Hand in 5 handshape with palm facing away from signer taps the base hand in 1 handshape along the length of the back of the finger. Movement is illustrated by arms that are translucent green and blue in different stages of the sign.
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Had to share epic news from the New York Times about Deaf West Theater and the Mark Forum in Los Angeles, California creating Green Day's "American Idiot" with sign language this November! Will you go?
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Sources: SigningSavvy, Lifeprint, ASLDeafined
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The sign for Love in American Sign Language. Both hands in S handshape, arms crossed over each other over the signers chest. Movement is illustrated by arms that are translucent blue and pink in different stages of the sign. There is a purple heart over the crossed arms. Background is white.
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Sources: SigningSavvy, Lifeprint, ASLDeafined
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The sign for Turtle in American Sign Language. A handshape with tumb up covered by base hand representing a turtle shell. Thumb on dominant hand wiggles. Movement is illustrated by hands that are translucent green and brown in different stages of the sign. Background is white.
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Sources: SigningSavvy, Lifeprint, ASLDeafined
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The sign for grow in American Sign Language. Base hand around dominant hand in flat O handshape. Dominant moves up and opens to 5 handshape. Movement is illustrated by arms that are translucent blue, purple, and pink in different stages of the sign. Background is white.
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Sources: SigningSavvy, Lifeprint, ASLDeafined
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Protest in American Sign Language. S handshape palm facing signer and elbow resting on base hand in open B handshape palm down. Fist twists out and arms move out slightly. Movement is illustrated by arms that are translucent green and blue in different stages of the sign.
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Image 1: Protest in ASL. Arms are different darker skin tones.
Image 2: Protest in ASL. First set of arms are in Gay pride colors. Second set are Trans pride colors.
Image 3: Protest in ASL. Arms are different skin tones in a black wrist brace.
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it felt like was the only one learning asl for nonverbalism reasons and i always felt weird about it cus there was never really any information about using asl for mutism like i'm appropriating deaf language or something? but i just got so sick of typing things out to communicate and people getting annoyed with how long it takes. its embarrassing. i've found that a sentence that comes out garbled and incomprehensible or doesn't come out at all when i try to speak verbally comes out easy as shit in sign. i also don't need captions for asl movies and videos (i got audio processing issues) so i'm working on my receptive skill also. anyway if you haven't done it before, what's the sign for selective mutism?
I am definitely grateful to the deaf community for sign languages. I don't think there would be sign languages if they hadn't developed and fought for it. But I don't think its appropriation to learn it for nonverbalism. For me personally, I'm just excited there's another person in the world I could sign with! I think it sucks that others assume people would only wanna sign if they have to! I've been in a number of situations in which I'm signing with someone, they ask if I'm deaf or hearing, then immediately start speaking when I say hearing. ASL is a wonderfully expressive language that feels so much more natural to me than spoken language.
Source: Lifeprint
[Image ID: Selective Mutism in American Sign Language. Hand in 4 handshape over the signers mouth, like the sign for "talk" then closes in S handshape over the mouth. The first part of the sign is red, and the second half is blue. End ID]
they/them, hearing, Interpreting major. Online resources: https://sites.google.com/view/thesign-resource If you wanna learn ASL, try and find in-person classes with a culturally Deaf teacher and make sure you learn about Deaf culture as well! [Profile Pic ID: The sign for Art in American Sign Language. End ID]
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