I Have To Respond To This Cause I’ve Been Thinking About This So Much
I have to respond to this cause I’ve been thinking about this so much
I’ve always excused a lot of theo’s actions and defended him and I’ve always wondered is that actually because of a moral belief I have or am I just biased and really like his character but as I’ve thought about it more I realized I’ve only done this with certain villains and I’ve managed to put villains into 3 categories.
1) are those who I believe are pure evil no matter what happened to them they’ve gone past a point where I can’t see any redeeming qualities and then 2) are villains who have done horribly evil things that I can’t defend but who I still believe are capable and have the chance at redemption and then theirs 3) villains like Theo who I just can’t view as him as evil I can awknoldge that what he did was wrong but I get it he was an abused kid who was stuck in a horrible situation being manipulated while his life was constantly in danger and I can’t judge him cause of that anybody in his situation would do exactly what he did and those that say they wouldn’t probably are lying to themselves we could say oh I wouldn’t be manipulated or even if I was forced to hurt someone else I would rather die but most of us would do it he was 9 and spent his whole life with them the fact that he was able to change and become better proves he wasn’t all that bad plus they forgave argent for trying to kill them and killing how many other supernaturals simply because of his childhood why should Theo be any different
#4 emails part 3
I just wanted to share some emails sent back and forth about my fic Sense of a Foreshortened Future because I need inspiration to start writing it again. In these emails it's referred to as #4 because it was the fourth Thiam fic I ever started writing. I will do my best to remove what I think is spoilers.
Hi hello,
Okay so I have this one question which is: do you think Liam forgave Theo for what he did?
I'd like your initial opinion before you read my brain thoughts on why I'm conflicted about this question.
Brain thoughts (there's a lot unfortunately and they are going to be kinda all over the place):
I have this very basic concept of why I like enemies to lovers, it's not that they love each other because or despite their past actions or who they used to be, they just love each other.
Liam- at least the way I'm writing him- thinks of Theo before Kira's prison and Theo after as basically two different people. Can you forgive someone if your brain isn't connecting that they were the same person who did the hurtful/bad action?
At what point in an abused child's life do they become responsible for the actions they might have been manipulated into doing? At what point do you draw the line in the sand? Is it when they turn a certain age, or are removed from the abuse, or when they have people telling them what they're doing is wrong? Is it fair to judge someone based on a decision(s) they made while being threatened with death?
Where does manipulation end and personal choice begin?
Could you ever forgive someone for hurting you and the people you care about like that? I want to say that I'd be able to, but if I came face to face with that I don't know if I would be able to do it. I'd want to be able to forgive. Do you need to forgive someone to love them in a healthy way if you've both grown?
Is forgiveness something that happens all at once or do you need to wake up every day and forgive again?
What even is forgiveness? It could be reconciliation with the person who hurt you. Maybe it's when the negative emotions you used to feel about someone are replaced by positive or neutral ones. It could be when you stop feeling resentment or the need for revenge. Is it forgetting or ignoring or fully acknowledging?
Maybe it's all of those things.
Do you think Liam forgave Theo for what he did? Does he have to?
From inside a library contemplating the meaning of life, seven
God okay so this is a lot. bravo. You've clearly thought about this a lot so I say to go with whatever you think because I have no idea how to answer this I'm going to be honest.
But no he doesn't have to forgive him, I'm just not sure if he has.
I think maybe Liam has forgiven him in the way that he doesn't feel contempt or want revenge. I think I need Liam in the story to realize that the person he keeps referring to as Evil Theo is the same Theo that he is almost friends with is the same person. I think a lot of the anger he has for Evil Theo is aimed more at the idea that the pack was hurt. I think (later on) Liam will remember what it felt like when he was being manipulated into trying to kill Scott, and how that situation didn't define him as a person because he did the work to be better after that and Liam will kinda apply that to Theo.
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I just read the first chapter and God that was good I'm excited for the rest also I'm sensing scileo friendship vibes in this which is making me even more excited
Chapters: 1/? Fandom: Teen Wolf (TV) Rating: Explicit Warnings: Graphic Depictions Of Violence Relationships: Liam Dunbar/Theo Raeken, Theo Raeken & Stiles Stilinski, Scott McCall & Theo Raeken, Chris Argent & Theo Raeken, Peter Hale & Theo Raeken Characters: Theo Raeken, Liam Dunbar, Stiles Stilinski, Scott McCall (Teen Wolf), Peter Hale, Derek Hale, Chris Argent, Alan Deaton, Melissa McCall Additional Tags: Suicidal Thoughts, Suicide Attempt, Canon-Typical Violence, Angst, Angst and Hurt/Comfort, Hurt/Comfort, Emotional Hurt/Comfort, Hurt Theo Raeken, Theo Raeken Needs a Hug, Theo Raeken-centric, Protective Liam Dunbar, Pining Liam Dunbar, I believe in Theo and Stiles bestieism Summary:
Theo is just trying to survive his second chance at life. Too bad outside forces want the opposite.
So something I’ve been noticing is how everyone has been taking Mathias side and so am I but like everyone is saying how dumb or why is Erik acting the way he is and Erik is definitely not innocent and is being dumb but it’s like no one can see from his side like after the kiss Mathias ignored Erik he left on the ship for the summer which he was supposed to do with Erik and ignored all of Erik’s texts and when school started and they saw eachother again Mathias still acted distant and Erik has tried talking to Mathias about the kiss but either they get interrupted or they ignore it like I don’t think that the reason Erik said the kiss meant nothing wasn’t because Erik didn’t like it but because he thinks Mathias doesn’t care and he just wants to move on and be friends again
And don’t get me wrong I’m not fully on Erik’s side Erik decide to be friends with Felix even after everything he did and he left with Felix instead of staying back for Mathias and I understand Mathias side as well but like I understand both sides so I’m not gonna choose either side
Honestly I do think she’s dead but I don’t think she’s gonna stay dead there’s leaks about her coming back and I feel like whatever Billy is doing on the road might be to try and get his family back
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Honestly we don’t actually know if he did it we just assume cause stiles who wasn’t even their said so. And even if he did push I’m sorry but I just can’t blame him for that he was like 9 we have no idea what the dread doctors did to convince him little kids are so easy to manipulate and mess with like it is not his fault.
Over on Instagram (@thiam_bot ‘s story) Dylan S. confirmed that Theo was supposed to cry after coming out of the ground and learning he killed his sister?!???!! Ummm the levels this would have added to the Tara & Theo lore and whether Theo actively killed his sister…. How could they keep this from the Theo stans???
THIS!!! Like it's never actually been confirmed if he did it the characters and us just assume he did all we know is that he watched and didn't saver her. I personally do believe he did do it but we don't actually know.
the ambiguity around if theo pushed tara or not has me wondering if he even remembers
You know I’ve really been in the mode for some demon Theo(supernatural demons specifically) fics I’ve started watching supernatural and I find the concept of the demons so interesting I’ve only read one fic with this premise
But I’m not sure if it will ever get updated so if anyone would want to write something like this I would be really happy I would try myself but I don’t have the skills just putting the idea out their
Also thiam of course
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Day 1-pre canon- it could be a scene from his childhood,one from right before he came to become hills you decide.
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How Theo,Scott, and Stiles become bestfriends
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I also don’t see Theo as a villain cause even tho he did bad things just looking at his past and the situation he was in it’s kinda understandable why he did the things he did my personal interpretation of Theo is that everything he did was out of survival cause he didn’t want to die and I can’t fully blame him for that he definitely could have made better choices but growing up the way he did I get and honestly if I was in his situation I don’t think I would make the best choices either
Sorry, should have been clearer what I meant...
Classic definitions of sociopathy typically include a disregard for right and wrong (not seeing actions as bad or good, just actions) and ignorance of the feelings of others (essentially the opposite of empathy). They are also often characterized as lacking in remorse.
Basically, even if someone is convinced Theo is 100% a villain (which is obviously false imo but I digress), he almost definitely isn't a sociopath because a lot of his plans rely on him understanding other people's emotions. His ability to read people was why he was able to use Liam, move Stiles and Malia out of the way, gain Scott's trust, etc. And then S6 showed him empathize with more than one person, showing remorse, and starting to understand the depths of his former depravity.
I'm just not sure how someone can walk away from that and call him a sociopath, personally.
Sorry, that turned into a bit of a rant.
oh, wow. looks like u know a lot. i love that. please, don't apologize, this is awesome! i did give theo a lot of different thoughts but not in this direction, so thank u for sharing with me. i love talking about these things, fr! altho theo is introduced as the bad guy in the beginning, i don't consider him a villain. i mean, he's not innocent, ofc, but villain sounds too much for me.
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