I‘m Crying About This

I‘m crying about this

i feel cheated with that ending and with the movie in general. They didn't show tony's grief for peter at all! they made him move on and they only put that one scene we already saw on the spot. i'm so mad with the writers for this!

Hi!

I’m going to respond only on this ask because I’m guessing you’re the same anon because the other asks say the same thing. 

First of all, I want to say this: I feel you. I really do. I’m mad too. However, I’ve watched this movie too many times and I managed to pick up on some things about Tony’s grief throughout Endgame. While I agree they should’ve put more of Tony’s grief on Endgame, I think RDJ made a great job at showing Tony’s emotions regarding Peter. This man is so talented with his eyes and expressions, it’s incredible. 

Let’s look at Tony’s fears first. This is the man that constantly feared for Peter’s life on a daily basis since meeting him. He lived with this fear of losing him for two years of his life.

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And his fears became a reality in IW. He lost. This is Tony Stark, he doesn’t give up. He tries and tries and he never rests until he gets things done. Until everything is alright. In this movie, he actually gives up. After losing Peter, he finally gave up. This is where the “Peter’s death is going to change him forever” comes to play. He changed.

Throughout IW, Tony went fear after fear, impact after impact on each scene. He was living a never-ending nightmare. One that he already had an idea on how it was going to end.

 Remember this scene? Strange told Tony that If it comes to saving him or the kid or the Time Stone, he wasn’t going to hesitate to let either of them die. And this is Tony’s reaction:

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(YES, I actually made gifs for this)

He knows what’s at stake. He doesn’t really care about his life, he’s thinking about Peter here. He’s aware that Peter might die and right after this, he makes the kid an avenger because what else can he do? And the rest of the movie is just like that. Him fearing for Peter’s life over and over again. 

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Until Peter actually dies at the end and his worst nightmare comes true. Keep in mind that this is the first time we see Tony Stark cry. This is the first time this man cries after all the things he’s been through.

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Now, the first thing he says after he comes back is “I lost the kid”. Tony, again, didn’t care about his well-being, he was thinking about Peter. Thinking and repeating in his head the horrific nightmare over and over again. This is exactly what was on his mind the whole time he was on that ship. He desperately looks at Steve, trying to make him understand his loss. 

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Notice here how he avoids looking at Peter’s picture. This right here is what triggers him to lash out on Steve, to call Steve a liar, telling him he needed him and that he doesn’t have any options for him anymore because they lost. Because he lost. Because he feels like there’s nothing left to do. 

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He then marries Pepper and ta-da! Morgan. He cuts ties with the Avengers for 5 years and tries to live his life as peaceful as he can. Then Scott and the others come to his house and ask him for help with time travel stuff and Tony is in perpetual denial the whole time. This is his reaction when Natasha says there’s a possibility to bring everyone back.

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What is interesting for me in this scene is that Tony is the one that told Steve that he lost Peter and in this part, he’s telling him that he’s got his second chance right here (Morgan), who do you think it was his first chance? Peter. He’s looking at Steve like he’s trying to make him understand. He told Steve he lost someone with as much importance as Morgan already and is very clear that he’s scared. Natasha said it herself. 

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Then this happens: 

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He starts getting hope. Since this part, he starts letting that same fear he felt those two years between hoco and iw come back. This is his reaction at the prospect of actually getting an opportunity once again. 

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Then he tells Pepper about it and she tells him they were really lucky and that not many people got that opportunity and he says this: “I can’t help everyone” which can easily translate to this = “I couldn’t help him, I failed him”. 

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He then tells Pepper that he can stop it right there and I just want to say, this is Pepper, the same woman who tried to make him give up the suits and the superhero life a bunch of times. This is coming from her: “But would you be able to rest?” I bet he hasn’t really slept much in those 5 years. And the answer is on his face:

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No, he won’t be able to rest. He can’t.

And then throughout the whole process of time travel, you can see he’s starting to get his hopes up. This is him when Clint confirmed that time travel worked: 

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And this: This breaks my heart. This hopeful smile.

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This is him when he managed to get the stones on his gauntlet. The relief on his face is heartbreaking. He is getting his boy back. Finally. They’re so close.

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This part is very important and you might not see it well in here but maybe when the HD version is available you might be able to catch on his expression. When Thanos says he’s going to create a new world, one teeming with life that knows not what it has lost but only what it has been given. A grateful universe. The contempt, the rage, the grief, and the fear are back at full force. This is the alien that killed his kid, the last time Tony saw him Thanos wiped out his kid out of existence. 

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Then after EVERYTHING, he finally gets his kid back and he can’t even believe it. And no, it was not necessary to kill him but this is the face of a man that knows he can finally rest. He got Peter back and that was the most important thing to him.

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Sorry, this was long but this is my interpretation of Tony’s grief. We didn’t get much but he loves Peter and that never is going to change. 

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I’M CRYING

Peter struggles a lot with his memories of Tony’s death. He’s a little ashamed of how much it bothers him. He’s an Avenger, after all. Death shouldn’t leave these kinds of scars.

But it did. It had. The images of Tony slipping away, the smell of his charred skin, the way his breaths had wheezed in, out, then shuddered to a halt, arc reactor flickering into nothingness…

The memory of Tony’s hand falling limply away from Pepper’s was always playing in the back of his mind.

But most of all, he couldn’t stop replaying the fact that Tony hadn’t said anything to him. He’d just laid there, still and silent. Peter hadn’t gotten any last words, final comforts. All he’d gotten was hazy eyes and a bucketful of trauma.

There was no escaping the memories, no running from the horror that bubbled in his throat whenever they resurfaced. And he knew he couldn’t survive like this. Maybe even more so, he knew that Tony would never want him to.

So, he goes to Pepper.

There were only two people on Earth who truly understood. Sure, Steve and the others had watched from afar, but Rhodey, Peter, and Pepper had been on the frontlines. They’d been close enough to hear his last breaths, to see the life dwindle out of Iron Man’s eyes.

He could’ve gone to either Rhodey or Pepper, of course, but he chose her because the memory of Tony’s death wasn’t the only one that he could recall with frightening clarity.

In the settling moments, the ones that came in the shockwaves of that final breath, Pepper had kissed Tony’s cheek. Peter had felt like throwing up. Rhodey had held him back, steel arms around his stomach.

“Rhodey,” Pepper had gasped, “Rhodey, let him come, now. Let him… Just let him come.”

He’d been released, and he would’ve face-planted if Pepper hadn’t twisted around to grab his arm, steadying him as he sunk to his knees in front of Tony’s body.

“Mister Stark?” He whimpered. He’d reached for Tony like a child, hands grasping helplessly just inches from his motionless chest. It was a physical call for action, a plea to be held.

Tony hadn’t answered it, was far past that, now, but Pepper had.

She had pulled him into her chest, chin resting on the crown of his head. “Shh, sweetheart. It’s alright now. It’s over. It’s… It’s all over.”

“Tony?” At any other time, he would’ve been ashamed of how cracked and desperate his voice was, of his entire reaction in general. But then, he’d been strangely detached, out of control. “Tony.”

Pepper had been the one to guide him as he tucked himself against Tony’s chest, had been the one to rub his back as he sobbed. Eventually, she’d been the one who’d rocked him while Rhodey scooped Tony into his arms, to carry him back. To carry him home.

Although the memories were hazy, he knew that she’d stayed with him once he slipped into shock, too. She’d filled the role of May, of Tony, without missing a step. And she’d done it all while struggling under the weight of a loss that even Peter couldn’t begin to comprehend.

And, sure, Pepper had always been kind to him, but she’d taken more of an interest in him after… well, after. He knew it was probably only out of a lingering need to protect whatever Tony loved, but he clung to that connection all the same.

So he skips school, comes to the cabin when Morgan’s at playgroup. The conversation he needed to have wouldn’t feel right with her in the house. It would feel wrong.

As soon as the door opens, he can see Pepper’s surprise, see the reprimand on her lips, but then she takes in the look on his face, the bags underneath his eyes, and she ushers him in.

She makes him sit on the couch, offers him tea. He shakes his head, just curls into himself until she finally sits beside him.

“What do you need, Peter?” She asks, voice soft. Peter wonders if that’s why Tony fell in love with her: because her ability to gentle was good for his rough edges.

“I… I keep thinking about it.”

Pepper didn’t need clarification to at least understand the ballpark of his meaning. “Oh, Peter. It’s normal to feel the… the loss of presence in your life-”

He shakes his head. “No, no. I mean I keep thinking about it. About the.. the moment. It won’t stop playing in my head.”

“That moment that he…?”

“Yeah.”

The moment that he died.

“What bothers you about it?”

It feels like a ridiculous question at first. What bothers him about it? Well, the fact that Tony died, for one. The fact that he was just sixteen and confused and watching something horrific happen without the gravity of the moment really registering until after, until it was too late to really process it at all.

But then… but then he realizes that there was a reason behind why it bothered him so much. That despite the generic awfulness of the whole experience, there was one aspect that stung above everything else. One fact that he was constantly tangling himself up in.

“He didn’t say anything to me,” he whispers, voice breaking. “He… I don’t even think he knew that I was there.”

He would’ve comforted me. He would’ve said something stupid, smiled, cracked a joke. If he’d known I was there, he wouldn’t have acted the way he did.

He wouldn’t have just laid there.

“He knew,” Pepper murmured, and she said it like she never once doubted that it was true.

He wanted to believe it. God, he really, really wanted to believe it.

“How do you know?”

“Because I saw him recognize you, Peter. He… He wasn’t at peace until he saw your face. Didn’t you notice him look at you?”

“I… I don’t know.”

If he was being honest, he hadn’t been seeing much of anything at the time, besides the blur-wobble of unshed tears.

“He did.” Pepper tilts his chin up, the same way Tony used to, when he refused to look at him after a rough day at school or on patrol. “He looked at you like he’d be alright if that was the last thing he’d ever see. And I don’t think… I don’t think he could talk, sweetheart.”

“He talked to you.”

He hated how petulant it sounded, how childish and resentful. Of course Pepper deserved those final words. She was Tony’s wife, the mother of his child, the love of his life. What right did Peter have to resent Tony’s last gift to her?

But Pepper didn’t seem upset. She just smiled, genuine and sad. “And you heard how it sounded, didn’t you? He was trying not to scare you, Peter. At least, not anymore than he already had. You were so frightened. I think he knew that if he said anything, it would just make it harder for you to accept.”

He felt a sob threaten to crawl up his throat. When he spoke, his voice was strained with it. “He just… he used to talk so much.”

“I know. But, honey,” Pepper’s thumb swiped under cheek, caught a tear he hadn’t even known had fallen, “sometimes we don’t need to say anything to tell someone we love them.”

“Did he… Do you really think he…?”

“Loved you?” At his reluctant nod, Pepper laughed. “Peter, look outside. Half the birds, half the children, half of everyone: they’re all there because of you. Tony stitched the universe back together just so that you could live in it. If that isn’t love, what is?”

And for once, Peter didn’t really know what to say, either.

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That last comment is like... so wrong. It is NEVER okay to spank your children and it doesn’t matter if you do it with or without a reason. My parents never laid a hand on me and my siblings, and we didn’t grow up “throwing tantrums in Walmart”! You’d never spank your (grownup) friend because he/she did something wrong, so why should it be allowed when the one who’s being spanked ist a defenseless child?! Yes, disciplining your children is right and important but you can do that WITHOUT physical abuse - just with words. I know that children don’t always listen to what you say and more often don’t behave. But that can’t and mustn’t be an excuse for taking advantage of the fact that children are smaller and weaker than you and can easily be “corrected” by physical “gestures” you’d hardly use for a misbehaving dog.

Beside that - maybe those people who spank their children or think that it’s okay to do so should think about what physical contact means to children. When they are small and can’t talk physical contact is all they’ve got. They learn their worth and importance through this form of contact and it’s their only way to communicate. Imagine what it does to a little human being (or any kind of being) if you take that contact, that medium, that TRUST and use it against them - just because it acts in a way you don’t like.

Spanking children isn’t okay. And there’s no excuse or reason that could change this.

(Sorry for writing so much in probably so bad English. I’m not a English native, but I couldn’t scroll past this without commenting on it.)

the spanking debate isn’t all that complicated. you’re either ok with hitting small kids who are completely defenseless and literally at your mercy, or you’re not. supporting the first option makes you a bad and dangerous person, and unfit to be a parent, and im sorry to say but there’s no way around this, no excuses or loopholes. it is what it is

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5 years ago

I love this SO MUCH

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IronDad Bingo: Holidays

Tony laughed as Peter came bounding in to the lab, cheeks flushed from the cold. It took Tony a second to realize that Peter was carrying something, a little too concerned with how red his cheeks were - making a mental note to readjust the heaters in the kid’s suit. 

“Where’s the fire, kid?”

Peter smiled, planting the package - a present, from the haphazard wrapping job - on the lab desk. “Happy Boss’ Day, Mr. Stark!”

Tony blinked, before turning to face him. “Happy… what?”

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Me basically. And literally.

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