Hi!  Oh, You Don’t Know How Badly I Froze After Reading This Because It Feels Impossible To Sum Up

Hi!  Oh, You Don’t Know How Badly I Froze After Reading This Because It Feels Impossible To Sum Up

Hi!  Oh, you don’t know how badly I froze after reading this because it feels impossible to sum up his character easily and I’m not sure any of the canon SW books really get Obi-Wan to fling at you and he can be an oddly complicated character for someone who is actually fairly direct and consistent. I was trying to figure out how to sum Obi-Wan’s character up, talking with (okay, whining at @lesbiandarthmaul) about his approach to things, and she gave an excellent jumping off point:  “The dude is the embodiment of the romantic ideal of a knight in the chivalric sense.“ At the foundation of who he is, Obi-Wan is someone who believes in and loves the Jedi Order very much, he believes in the values they teach and the discipline of looking inwards to understand yourself and thus be able to control yourself.  This is someone who survived the genocide of his people and culture, yet still remained kind and compassionate, he remained good, because Obi-Wan Kenobi understands and took to heart the value of getting your shit together as the Jedi taught him.

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This doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have his moments, of course.  He experiences anger and frustration, he can snap at people, his anger can make him lash out at people sometimes, but he thoroughly understands that he cannot embrace that anger in any significant way. Like when Maul kills Qui-Gon in TPM, he’s obviously angry, but he doesn’t seize on that anger. Like when Maul kills Satine in “The Lawless”, he’s obviously angry, but he doesn’t seize on that anger. Like when Anakin turns to the dark side, kills the Jedi younglings, he’s obviously angry, but he doesn’t seize on that anger.  He experiences it, acknowledges it, and lets it go again.

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”And in that moment, that critical moment, he cannot seize on his anger and his hatred for Maul.  Though that’s probably there, deep within, he can’t seize on it or Maul will win, he knows that.  I think we learned a lot about Obi-Wan and what it means to be a true Jedi, which is what I see Obi-Wan as.“ –Dave Filoni, on “The Lawless  (This is something he’s repeated several times, about how the core themes of Star Wars are letting go of the the anger and hate and fear so that the dark doesn’t win, so that you can’t be controlled.) This is also reflected in his recklessness–which he very much is reckless, but he’s at peace with that recklessness and I’ve always argued that it’s a considered reckless, that he does it when there are no feasibly better options.  Hence why he’ll jump out of a window to chase an assassin droid and it’s not because he immediately goes for the reckless option (like he takes his time with Dooku at the end of AOTC, because he knows this needs a measured response), but that he knows there’s not a better option and that he can hang onto it and he’ll be okay, he trusts Anakin to go find a speeder and catch up.

Hi!  Oh, You Don’t Know How Badly I Froze After Reading This Because It Feels Impossible To Sum Up

Or he’ll fling himself out of the cockpit on the Invisible Hand and right into the middle of the droids.  Or throw himself off a ship or building when he really absolutely needs to get somewhere.  It’s not because he doesn’t know it’s dangerous, but that he thinks it’s genuinely the best way. Obi-Wan, I think, is someone who has been taught from a very young age to look within and understand himself, the very earliest scene we have for him in canon is him meditating with his classmates while being taught the lesson of:  “Meditation is about more than just forging a deeper connection to the Force… it is about gaining a deeper understanding of ourselves.  It is a means of obtaining greater control over our thoughts.  Over our emotions.  Peace.  Serenity. Harmony.  We must master ourselves before we can hope to master the Force.”

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This is the foundation of Obi-Wan, that sense of how long he’s been understanding himself and that he’ll never stop learning, it’s a lifelong path to walk to understand and master yourself, but he’s pretty damn good at it. James Arnold Taylor (Obi-Wan’s voice actor in TCW) says similar things about him:  "Obi-Wan constantly attempts to keep everybody on track, but he also tries to be realistic.  You saw that in ‘The Citadel’ episode in Season Three where they’re losing clones left, right, and center.  I remember when we were in the studio voicing that stuff, Dave [Filoni] kept telling me that Obi-Wan is the one who says we must move forward and we have to keep going.  I had to strike a balance when recording those lines to show he has sympathy and heart for the clones, but at the same time he knows the mission.  I think that sort of sums up the character. He’s strong when other characters don’t necessarily know what to do, and he’s a voice of reason.“ The other thing about Obi-Wan is that he prizes helping others above almost anything else.  (Well, aside from the whole looking inward and figuring out the path that’s right for you thing.)  He doesn’t become a doormat about it, he has boundaries and he gets angry when others pile stuff onto him–like, he’s genuinely angry at Anakin in ROTS, when he yells that their allegiance is to democracy or when he snaps that if the planets they’re fighting for would actually pitch in themselves, we wouldn’t be in this particular mess in TCW.

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Sometimes this comes out in little ways–like he banters with Anakin to take his mind off Anakin’s boiling panic in the AOTC elevator scene, or he banters with Anakin to give the clones time to get in place to help save Luminara from the Geonosian Queen in TCW.  He enjoys the banter for its own sake, but he’s often pulling double duty in how he’s also using it for another purpose, because Obi-Wan doesn’t often do things without focus or purpose.  Even if he’s not sure how the hell they’re going to get through something, he’s still acknowledging his feelings on that and looking for a way to be strong when others don’t know how to.  He has purpose in nearly everything he does. Like when he’s bantering with Anakin while they watch the Geonosian Queen hold Luminara captive, the banter is funny and “Come now, which do you think [the brain worm] will go for?  The ear or the nose?” is one of the funniest moments in SW, but he’s also using it to stall for time so the clones can get into position to help get Luminara back. Like with Luke, he doesn’t lie because it’s easier or because he’s trying to manipulate Luke into killing Vader, but because Luke isn’t ready to hear the truth and he needs this emotional truth as a foundation to understand the bigger picture, he even says that someday Luke will have to know the truth in the From a Certain Point of View anthology.  (George Lucas has also said that he didn’t really lie to Luke, as well as that he and Yoda are not trying to get Luke to kill Vader, but to be ready that the possibility may happen.) And that sense of manipulation can sometimes lead people to thinking he’s a jerk (especially if they love him and are kind of mad that they love him) but it’s never done out of cruelty or because it’s easier for him.  It serves a purpose, one that he feels will help the other.  He’s the “adult in the room” for that, in a lot of ways, that that’s why people look to him for leadership, because he’s looking at a situation and trying to figure out the best way forward for everyone, he’s a natural leader. This is part of his chivalric knight character as well, that he has boundaries for himself personally, but he whole-heartedly believes in a purpose bigger than himself.  He believes in being selfless.  He believes in reaching out a hand to help others.  This is reflected a lot in his relationship with Anakin, where he’s almost always the one offering to talk and opening the conversation up first. (Attack of the Clones, he’s the one who asks how Anakin’s been sleeping lately.  Age of the Republic - Obi-Wan Kenobi, he’s the one who talks to Anakin about how he felt he couldn’t protect Qui-Gon, how can he protect Anakin, and works it out with him.  Age of the Republic - Anakin Skywalker, he’s the one who approaches Anakin who is getting wound up, even is acting very emotional, and Obi-Wan encourages him and says he’s proud of him.  The Clone Wars, when Anakin is starting to lose his shit over Rush Clovis, Obi-Wan approaches him to talk.) He’s also a Knight in the sense that he doesn’t have to vomit his feelings everywhere to show them deeply.  He clearly cares very much for Anakin, his feelings are processed just fine, he’s just reserved.  That doesn’t mean he’s not kind and praiseful or flirtatious or gentle, but that he’s by and large measured and has had a lifetime of practice of being in control of himself. Even when Obi-Wan is coming face to face with his own death and seeing Anakin again for the first time, he walks this line between understanding how hard this hits him and that he has his shit together–one of the best lines from “Time of Death” in From a Certain Point of View is:  ”I cannot use his real name.  It would undo me, even after all this time, catching in my throat.  The time for talk is at an end.  This must be decided once and for all.“  Obi-Wan gets how difficult this is for himself, but he also doesn’t seize on that hurt, because he knows that wouldn’t lead anywhere good and has had a lifetime of working at this. Or when he’s fighting Anakin on Mustafar, the entire fight is written around how he was trying to give Anakin time to come to his senses and calm down.   “My take on the whole duel was that Obi-Wan is the central character in that duel. He wouldn’t try and kill Anakin. The way I saw that fight was like having a fight with your girlfriend. That she’s just lost it and that she’s coming at you with everything she’s got. […] So you try to defend her as long as you can until she breaks down. Then you can give her a cuddle.“ –Nick Gillard, fight choreographer His kindness manifests in ways like:  “Obi-Wan truly is a Jedi in that he’s like, ‘Okay, I’m not going to murder these creatures [in the Ryloth arc of The Clone Wars].  They’re starving to death.  They’ve basically been unleashed against these people as a weapon, but it’s not their fault.  They’re just doing what they do.  They’re just animals who wanna eat.’” This is also reflected in the Obi-Wan & Anakin comic:   “These beasts are nearly mindless, Anakin.  I can feel it.  They are merely following their nature.  They should not die simply because they crossed our path.  Use the Force to send them on their way.” So, he’s balanced between a direct sort of kindness and a bantering kindness, depending on the situation (but most especially with Anakin, because Anakin tends to thrive on banter, he clearly enjoys it, even when he’s crabbing about it) and what he thinks would work best for the situation. Obi-Wan has strong beliefs about how things should be handled, like he very much believes in working within the system to help make it better, the Obi-Wan & Anakin comic does a really great job of showing that, but it’s woven into pretty much all of Obi-Wan’s storylines. And, ultimately, I think he was really, really good for Anakin.  Obi-Wan, I think, tends to get misunderstood by people (especially Anakin) because he’s almost sort of understated and that, because he works hard on finding his balance, because he’s had a lifetime of devotion to the Jedi ways that are the themes of Star Wars, that he doesn’t struggle or feel anything.  That because he’s strong, that it means he feels things less or never experiences doubt, which isn’t true.  Obi-Wan’s just really good at finding his feet again, that really the biggest thing he doesn’t have his shit together on is Anakin himself–that he just cannot possibly believe that Anakin would fall and betray them.  He can’t believe it in the Story Reels, he can’t believe it in Revenge of the Sith until it’s right in front of him.  That’s Obi-Wan’s biggest weakness, that he so strongly believes in the ones he loves that he doesn’t see their flaws sometimes. One of the earliest fics I ever read was  Fire and Ice by Yesac and it really set a lot of my views on Obi-Wan (and Anakin, as well), that it’s the best “Anakin won on Mustafar, now suitless Vader is running around the galaxy and Obi-Wan has to deal with this”, that it does an absolutely brilliant job of showing that Obi-Wan is deeply affected by all this, but that he has a kind of strength that Anakin just breaks against, eventually.  That it highlights their dynamic so incredibly well–and, okay, for memory there’s some “the Jedi aren’t allowed to love” elements in it, but they’re very minor and we’re shown Obi-Wan being deeply caring and focused, so I tend to gloss over that part and focus instead on how this was a fic that really helped me understand his character. Because Obi-Wan is difficult to sum up in a few things, especially because he’s understated a lot of the time, despite that he feels very genuinely and deeply, that the balance between that he’s a natural leader versus that he struggles just as much as anyone because he’s human and he makes mistakes, but that ultimately Obi-Wan Kenobi is about rising above and guiding others because he has a laser sharp focus and he knows how to get shit done.  If you’re in a bad spot, this is the guy you want leading the way out of there, especially if you’re Anakin Skywalker.  (Even if you can’t always admit it because you’re mad that he won’t just let you lash out your anger everywhere!) And you really do not want to go into a fight against this guy:

Hi!  Oh, You Don’t Know How Badly I Froze After Reading This Because It Feels Impossible To Sum Up
Hi!  Oh, You Don’t Know How Badly I Froze After Reading This Because It Feels Impossible To Sum Up
Hi!  Oh, You Don’t Know How Badly I Froze After Reading This Because It Feels Impossible To Sum Up

Because not only is ^ that shit really  hot and incredible, that he did far more damage than he took, but he does this EVERY SINGLE TIME pretty much. Even in fights where he should be at a disadvantage, somehow he keeps coming out on top or finding a way out. He’s like this with Anakin a lot, too, not just on Mustafar, but even hand-to-hand, he pretty much wipes the floor with Anakin as Rako Hardeen:

Hi!  Oh, You Don’t Know How Badly I Froze After Reading This Because It Feels Impossible To Sum Up
Hi!  Oh, You Don’t Know How Badly I Froze After Reading This Because It Feels Impossible To Sum Up

YOU DO NOT WANT TO CROSS THIS GUY, because he’s deeply compassionate, but when you cross a line, he will ultimately win. It doesn’t define him, the fighting (he’s just really, really good at it), he prefers diplomacy and finding ways for everyone to work together, he’d rather banter or overwhelm someone by flirting with them, but Obi-Wan is also someone who is incredibly focused and will do what he must, when push comes to shove. He’ll fight Anakin, he’ll even kill him–or so he thinks, despite that he cannot bring himself to strike the killing blow, because he just couldn’t, but that’s sort of the motto Obi-Wan lives by, I think.  “Acknowledge where you are and make the choice you can live with.”  And he himself does his best to live up to that, whether it’s having faith in someone he loves or stopping evil, whether he’s choosing to stay with the Jedi or acknowledging that he’d have left for Satine and for Anakin, he’s self-aware enough to make the choices he genuinely thinks are best, after a lot of thought and care and self-reflection.  They’re not always perfect choices (because there aren’t any perfect choices) but Obi-Wan’s strength of character and belief always allow him to keep going.

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5 years ago

it’s been said before, of course, but i just love the scene at the end of guards! guards! where the men are offered a reward, and it’s just… vimes hadn’t even considered it, and as to the others – well, vetinari calls it a petty wage increase and a domestic utensil. and a dart board. a hogswatch present, basically, and a yearly raise.

the sort of thing you get for being a decent employee of a boss who vaguely appreciates you: five extra dollars a month, and a dart board. oh, and we’ll replace the lost kettle.

vetinari expected them to ask for a reward that matched the heroism of their deeds, and was completely taken-aback by the pettiness of their request, but that’s the point: they did ask for a reward that matched, to them, the heroism of their deeds. because they weren’t Heroes. they were just some guards who thought it was wrong that a fine lady was going to be sacrificed. who believed that the city wouldn’t stand for feeding one of their own to a dragon. who, when left without supervision or leadership, said well we might as well try and got on top of a distillery to shoot an arrow in a million-to-one chance that maybe they could do something about it.

and a lot of that is carrot’s inspiration, but it’s also worth noting that colon and nobby are repeatedly shown to be the quintessential men of the street. in later books, vimes asks them how they feel and what they think to get an idea of how the city is reacting to the events at-hand, because they represent the common people of ankh-morpork. 

and these two common people, out of shape and cowardly and bumbling, just a couple of guys – when the new recruit says it didn’t ought to be like this, and says, what are we gonna do next?

these two common people say, well what the hell, let’s give it a try. the city, the people, with no one left on their side but themselves and the dragon crowned triumphant, look to one another and decide to try.

and to them, that isn’t heroism, because it’s… just common. they’re just people. they’re just doing what people do.

5 years ago
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2 years ago

i keep telling myself i can’t handle longer projects but in the last four days i wrote 23,377 words just totally by the seat of my pants

5 years ago

and speaking of Detritus’ character development:

throughout the books Detritus is shown as more and more smart, I mean compare the one in Guards! Guards! with the one from Thud! the difference is staggering.

now, this can be attributed to two things:

1) Cuddy’s helmet, which isn’t mentioned after Jingo, i think, but this can just be taken to mean that it just became normal, like the Librarian being an ape, no one notices it any more, but given the fact that the narrative mentions how bothered Detritus is by heat, and makes no mention of the helmet, i don’t think that’s it*, or

2) shockingly, when you take a member of a vilified, exploited social group (’you were chained to a wall like a guard dog when i first met you’, said Vimes, and ‘I had the stables cleaned out for your trolls’, said Bonnie or Bobbie or whatever her name was) and put them in an encouraging, supportive, hell, i’d even say loving environment, and than proceed to treat them respect, openly, actively condemn discrimination against them, and trust them with authority, they actually raise to the task at hand and start showing what they’re actually capable of.

After all, Detritus, Mended Drum splatter, doesn’t really need to think much, and even if he did, what’s the point? Who cares what/if a troll thinks?

but Sergeant Detritus of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch? Head of the anti-drug unit? Leader of the troll youth programme? Most senior troll officer in the Watch? Well, there are so many people counting on him, people who value his opinion, he just needs to be smart, doesn’t he?

Also, when you take that into consideration, like, is it any wonder that he is so invested in that youth programme? That he is such a mother hen? After all, look what an opportunity did for him, and he’s hardly the sharpest knife in the drawer.**

*but like, it would have been nice if they remembered Cuddy existed at least once in a while, I mean Cheery is amazing, but you can have more than one of a species with a significant role in a book, also, i do think that Cuddy left a mark on Detritus that is absolutely never mentioned again, and that’s not right.

**another parallel Thud! makes between Vimes and him.

2 years ago

the ‘ooh NO brer fox, don’t give my post a bunch of notes, noOOo i would HATE that!’ style of clout fishing is so obnoxious. if you’re going to chase clout do it in an honest and god-fearing way. im holed up in a skyscraper and every ten minutes that go by without someone reblogging this post i shoot another hostage

5 years ago

The more I think about it the more I realise that no ancient civilization would be at all interested in taming dragons.

Dragons are carnivores, so they’re really inefficient and costly to feed. They’re solitary, so its really frigging hard to form any kind of relationship with them. They’re darn right dangerous, so why risk your life taming one when there’s loads of llamas in the world. And worst of all their life spans are insanely long; if you had an opportunity to breed one, you wouldn’t live long enough to see the fruit of your labour mature, so you wouldn’t even bother.

5 years ago
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5 years ago

Human: Deal.

Fey: Very well. When you return home tonight, your mother will be in pristine health again. It will be like she never fell ill at all. Even the memory of her suffering will fade…

Human: Thank you so much. She means everything to me.

Fey: I know, I know. Let’s hope the price wasn’t too much for you after all… Only time will tell.

Human: So, when do we start?

Fey: …If I may ask you to elaborate?

Human: You said you wanted my firstborn.

Fey: Yes? And you agreed?

Human: Yeah, so, when do we start?

Fey:

Fey, blushing: Ah.

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