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i have some thoughts about what would happen if bojack and mr peanutbutter got together before the start of the show. @fandomfreakstudios have a wonderful post on this topic and i like their au very much. i just want to speculate on this from a slightly different angle.

i agree with freak's vision in many ways, but thinking about it, i've always found their relationship in such a scenario to be more messy and extremely ambiguous. ambiguous in terms of the fact that they themselves do not know who they are to each other… okay i'll try to explain

they meet for the first time at some event: an award ceremony, a party, whatever. then they see each other again, again, again, and in the end bojack reluctantly gets closer to pb - out of boredom, maybe - they drink together, chat about everything, discuss acting and so on. gradually they grow closer, their relationship becomes more trusting and intimate.

and before they knew it, they suddenly started spending nights at each other's places; mr peanutbutter recently divorced katrina, and he doesn't want to feel lonely, so all his attention is now focused on bojack. he became attached like a faithful dog (literally) and it will be almost impossible for him to let this man go, no matter what a jerk he actually is.

and bojack, who completely destroyed his previous relationship with herb, sees this. he doesn't reject pb when he becomes more intrusive for two reasons: firstly, he is afraid to ruin everything again, to lose a loved one, and therefore he tries to play a good friend; secondly, he likes this attention. he craves it. he longs to be wanted, to be admired, to be needed no matter what.

so, yes, their relationship is growing, and so is codependency. bojack tries to be kind, fair, supportive, but when he discovers how difficult it is - and most importantly, when he sees that his efforts don't matter, because pb won't leave him anyway - he stops. and, when there is not only an agent who will get you out of any trouble, but also a close person who is ready to love you no matter what disgusting things you do, and justify your behavior in any way, you stop not only growing, you become much worse than you were already.

nevertheless, he still has bright sides, some kind of concept of morality, and he is literally eaten up by guilt for what he is doing with their relationship. he, from time to time, makes some attempts to fix it - with well-known grand gestures - but it doesn't last long. then he gets tired again, realizes that everything he does is pointless, and turns to alcohol, drugs - everything, just to calm the pain and guilt consuming him from the inside.

mr peanutbutter also tries hard at first. he genuinely believes that if he makes enough effort, their relationship will be as happy and trouble-free as it was in his family, as it was on his native peninsula. he keeps ignoring all the red flags until everything turns into a real disaster. he still doesn't want to leave bojack because a) he is afraid to be alone, b) he is attached to him, he actually likes him very much; c) he feels sorry for boj.

we have seen how mr peanutbutter can behave in a relationship if he is really displeased or upset about something. eventually even his patience comes to an end, and maybe he makes the first attempt to leave, but quickly returns - either on his own initiative, or because of bojack's conviction that he will change. then everything repeats again.

this time, pb stops ignoring the bad attitude and goes on the offensive - he responds to manipulation with manipulation, to neglect with neglect etc. as a result, he becomes little better than his partner. they start quarreling constantly, it exhausts both of them. but that's all they have left when they just can't let each other go.

if we draw analogies, then this is something between bodiane, pb/diane and bojack/pc relationships, but i hope you understand the course of my thoughts.

bojack's career is still a failure, but at the same time pb's one is much less successful than in the original, obviously because of his personal life. well, now he has much more time to, for example, fight with his life partner again and eventually drive off to the other side of the united states together. for some unknown reason. they're sick to death of each other and yet still codependent. well. you know how it is

i could write more, but it seems like i've got a cold and i also want to sleep (whimpering whimpering) and the post already came out kinda long. so yeah. but maybe i'll talk about it later again

oh and i almost forgot

One of my doubts I have about the AU where Bobutter are parents would be the reaction of all the other characters in relation to their relationship and children. I think they would have a very secret and discreet relationship, maybe even the wedding would be something simple, maybe it would just be them and the priest. I don't know if I would put on a party where Bojack would invite his old friends...because they arent really friends anymore? Maybe PB would want to invite his family to his wedding with BJ, but since BJ would like something more discreet it would be just them. And somehow, that made everything even more intimate? So the discovery of their relationship would be huge Hollywood gossip. News like "Are Bojack Horseman/PB gay?"; "Take the horse out of the closet"; "Maybe that was why he never worked out with his 3 ex wives/That explains the cancellation of Horses Around"; Imagining the public's reaction is easier. Maybe Todd would try to talk to both of them? Would Princess Caroline make a call? Diane? This would bring great stress to both of them. To Bojack for the public comments, and PB for seeing him so eager. It would take time for the gossip to pass. So hiding your children from the public would be a sensible but difficult option. They would be those celebrities who would go out completely disguised. Everything would be revealed with another gossip, of course. A photo taken by Paparazzi. The one who suffered the most from the situation at the beginning would be Bj, as people would talk about his past with Sarah Lynn and what a bad father he would be.

This would certainly cause problems for Crackerjack in the future. He may even have PB's last name, but it's not like he never in his life couldn't find out about BJ's past, or even if someone with bad intentions(being a adult or child) found out that he was BJ Horseman's son.

hey! yes, at first they would definitely have to deal with a huge amount of gossip, journalists would break into their house, catch them on the street etc. i personally think that bobutters wouldn't hold a ceremony at all and instead simply sign; they'd rather celebrate their marriage in full during the honeymoon, where it'd be just the two of them.

so yeah, they would have a hard time at first with a bunch of chasing paparazzi and all that, but eventually it'd settle down. it's not that bojack would be much favored in the media after that, but in my opinion, they'd not have to hide the children, since by then no one would care anymore

about the fact that crackerjack eventually finds out about his father's past.... tbh it'd be VERY interesting to see heheh..... their relationship would change a lot, that's for sure, as well as his worldview in general. if you do decide to write a fanfiction or express this idea in some other form (comic? article?), i (we) will be happy read it! <3

you know what. i think you're being too rude to captain peanutbutter. he's doing his best

you always hav so many very cool and awesome images of peanutbutter

mayhaps may I have some more? I’m trying to grow my gallery a bit 👉👈

yeah sure💕!!! actually every image of pb is a very cool and awesome image

(that pose)

just looked at him again and my day already got better

genderswap pb

honestly i've never drawn genderswap before but someone inspired me.... it was surprisingly fun

hooray halloween!!! i don't celebrate it myself but i just had to draw it because i'm sure they still do

i think they eventually stopped throwing parties because of bojack's uneasy reputation and his reluctance to do so generally, but pb doesn't mind! they mostly spend it together, dressing up in silly costumes (ideas for which pb comes up with, because bojack says he doesn't care anyway (this is only half true)), eating sweets and watching movies

and yeah it's lloyd and harry from dumb and dumber

random bobutter memes

i agree with you in many ways (for example that pb is really not as innocent and good-natured as it seems from a superficial point of view), but i want to make some remarks!

tbh i don't think that mr peanutbutter had any special attitude to bojack.

OBVIOUSLY pb has his flaws (and you listed them) but to me he seems a rather nice guy? pb generally shows a kind attitude to everyone, it is natural for him; but precisely because he does it unconsciously, and not because of any stable principles and beliefs, in most really difficult situations he behaves incorrectly and selfishly. however, he is capable of really noble deeds - for example, the fact that he forgave diane after he found out about her lie (the scene in the restaurant). i can say that he cared about diane and loved her, just as he appreciates and cares about his other friends (giving todd a place to live, helping bojack with a doll and supporting him after that in the bar, saving a damn underwater city).

he also shows a disdainful attitude towards bojack as well as towards others. i don't even need to list it - as soon as bj starts to really tell pb about his problems, he runs to erica promising that "they will catch up later"! and the fact that he did leave bojack at the party in the last episode. or he brings him to a public event although he must understand that it will be pretty uncomfortable (to put it mildly) for bj to be there now (i'm talking about giving d to hollywoo)

it may seem to us that mr peanutbutter treats bojack in a special way because, despite all insults and the actual betrayal of the latter, he still treats him friendly. i always thought that he didn't care so much about bojack himself as about bojack's opinion of him almost right up to the end of the show, 'cause as we all know he just needs everyone to love him (bj is not special in this regard). he is extremely amiable to bj, forgives any his bad actions etc, as he tries to make bojack like him too because how can someone not like him???

at the same time i in no way exclude pb's sympathy for bojack. even he wouldn't be able to keep running after a man who can't stand him for twenty years!!!

but yes, it doesn't seem to me personally that mr peanutbutter treated bojack in any special way, he's just like that with everyone. he can do both good deeds, helping and supporting, and bad ones, neglecting his friends' feelings. because he's silly used to ignoring any negative emotions in general and because he is too fixated on keeping his image of a cheerful and carefree guy to really pay attention to others' problems.

yeah he definitely has something to work on…

I kinda realized something rather harshly. PB is often woobified by the fandom (this is rather obvious but hear me out). He is typically seen and perceived as this kind genuine and generous person. Because he is….. to Bojack

This is not bobutter propaganda I swear, hear me out

It is a well observed phenomenon in this fandom (as well as in many other fandoms with morally complex and nuanced main characters) that the viewer can often be swayed by the perspective of the main character. As a simple example, the amount of Bojack viewers that sympathize with his actions simply due to the fact that you see how he may be led to commit certain acts is staggering.

And yeah, from Bojack’s perspective Peanutbutter is kind, generous, and caring, because that’s how he always treats Bojack. Constantly scrabbling for opportunities to spend one on one time with Bojack, willing to drop everything at any moment if he needs help, forgiving him when he had no right to be forgiven. Giving up his space, money, and privacy the moment Bojack is in need of a place to stay. Putting his reputation at stake by continuing to associate with Bojack after the public turned on him. Bojack is treated with kindness, patience, and forgiveness in nearly every interaction.

And yeah, if this is how he treated EVERYONE, that reputation he has of being a total sweetheart would be fully justified, but looking beyond Bojack it becomes shockingly obvious that this is NOT the case.

Diane is an easy example, because the seeds that led to their divorce had been sewn throughout the run of the series. Peanutbutter REGULARLY ignores Diane’s needs and perspective, favouring his own ambitions over hers. I saw a post going around about hank after dark (I genuinely can’t find it again or remember who posted it i’m so sorry) but it was about Peanutbutter essentially telling Diane to go to Cordovia to do her own work AWAY from where she could possibly risk his new game show.

This is just the tip of the iceberg but it really shows that he prioritizes his own whims and his own little bubble of hyperfixation over the needs of his wife. He’s usually completely blissfully unaware that she’s often uncomfortable in her own home when it’s full of a film crew, or campaigners, or whatever the hell else he’s latched himself onto. Yes she doesn’t often express this, but to a neurotypical person this would be more obvious by simple observation (peanutbutter is NOT nt, clearly, so he’s less at fault but it doesn’t change the affect), but peanutbutter is so lost in his own whims and excitement that he doesn’t recognize the people around him (AND he tends to get defensive whenever someone tries to bring him back to reality). At least until his divorce with Diane snapped him back to reality.

Also i’m gonna talk about Pickles real quick. I love her, honestly. A lot of people don’t like her but she exists to essentially act as the culmination of all peanutbutter’s problems, and she does that perfectly (also she’s cute, sue me). Yeah, the issue with peanutbutter’s maturity is obvious to the point where Diane calls it out directly. Peanutbutter dates all of these younger girls simply because he WANTS to. He doesn’t care about the affect it may have on the course of these people’s life. He knows it’s wrong, hell Pickles’ age makes him actively uncomfortable whenever it’s pointed out. But he dates her anyways, because he chases whatever makes him happy no matter how selfish.

Yeah, him being bright and optimistic is fun and cute and you could never IMAGINE a man like that doing you wrong, but that mindset lacks real world practicality and sustainability which would in the end lead to the divorce.

Anyways! I digress. Peanutbutter treats Bojack VASTLY different from any of his partners, which is just fascinating to me. He can completely ignore and dismiss Diane’s discomfort with having their house full of crew people, but Bojack appears on his doorstep drunk and distressed and Peanutbutter immediately sends EVERYONE home and gives Bojack his full unwavering support and attention

This ended up kinda tangent-y but I think I made at least some sort of point somewhere in there. I just had thoughts I wanted to get out

hobo mr peanutbutter. pc did not come up with the idea of sad dog and he lost his career. loser

ahem ahem friends, in case you don't know who the alpha couple is… it's a fictional couple who appears in mountain goats songs. also the entire tallahassee album is dedicated to it, and i strongly advise you to listen to it. btw that popular song "no children" is too from this album and about them