what really gets me about sam hate is that 99% of the things he’s hated for, when applied to real life situations, are things that no-one should be hated for. not only that, but hating people for the things that sam is hated for would be considered victim blaming (that’s a mouthful)
hating someone for wanting to go to college and live their own life, instead of the unsafe and dangerous life their parent and sibling want them to live is not okay
hating someone for escaping an abusive household is not okay
hating someone for not trying to contact their family, after said family disowned them for going to college, is not okay
hating someone for having an addiction is not okay
hating someone for keeping something about themself a secret (especially if the person they’re keeping it secret from has previously shown how judgmental they are towards the things they’re hiding) is not okay
hating someone for trusting the wrong person, even tho that person went to extraordinary lengths to gain their trust, is not okay
hating someone for not blindly following their sibling’s every command is not okay
hating someone for unknowingly participating in causing something awful to happen, even tho they thought they were actually stopping the awful thing from happening, (especially when they willingly sacrificed themself and spend several lifetimes suffering in order to fix their mistake) is not okay
hating someone because they respected a mutual agreement and because they tried to move on with their life after losing someone is not okay
hating someone for trying to set boundaries after a person they trusted violated their bodily autonomy and for telling said person that they wouldn’t do the same thing to them is not okay
hating someone for expressing basic human emotions in a way that harms no-one is not okay
hating someone for standing up for themself is not okay
meanwhile 99% of the shit for which dean gets a pass, when applied to real life situations, would horrify any semi decent human being
telling your sibling that they deserved to be abused because they were out of line (in which being out of line actually means “you wanted to live your own life”) is not okay
vilifying someone for something they can’t change about themself is not okay
acting judgmental towards an aspect of someone’s life and then getting mad at them for keeping secrets regarding that same aspect is not okay
using someone’s faith to manipulate them into doing what you want is not okay
getting mad at someone for saving people’s lives, because you don’t like the method they’re using, is not okay
forcing someone into a torture-detox that almost kills them, then stalking them, calling them names, forcing them to choose between blindly following your every command and saving the world and then reducing the whole thing to “you chose someone else over me” is not okay
blaming someone for something you both unknowingly had a hand in, without taking responsibility for your own contribution, is not okay
deliberately hurting someone because their happy memories don’t include you is not okay
erasing someone’s memory without their consent is not okay
making someone’s mental illness all about yourself is not okay
blaming someone because another person cut their arm off (idk, this is the closest real life analogy to the soulless situation I can think of) is not okay
getting mad at someone for honouring a mutual agreement, berating them for leaving a job (a job you yourself had previously left) and going as far as shaming them for doing something as normal as shopping for produce instead of working is not okay
forcing someone to stay in a job they’re unhappy with is not okay
making someone think the person they love is in danger (especially if that someone already has a history of people they care about dying) is not okay
violating someone’s bodily autonomy and tricking them into allowing a foreign being inside their body without their consent, gaslighting them about it for months, making disgusting jokes about said violation, refusing to see the violated person’s point when they’re rightfully upset and not acknowledging that what you did was wrong, even after you went through the same experience, is not okay
telling someone that the upside of them being alive is that you need a sidekick is not okay
telling someone you wish they were dead is not okay
killing an innocent kid because of who their family is is not okay
literally trying to kill your sibling, repeatedly, is not okay (and I can’t believe I actually have to write this because the extents to which people will go to defend dean’s every action is /that/ ridiculous)
having a consistent pattern of doing things that you previously berated other people for doing is not okay
being misogynist, homophobic, ableist and racist because ~that’s just the way you were raised~ is not okay
trying to kill a child, telling said child that you will kill them and emotionally and verbally abusing them to the point of pushing them to self harm, because circumstances regarding their birth led to the death of people you care about and because their biological father is evil (two things they absolutely have no control over) is not okay
threatening a teenage girl with a gun because she doesn’t want to help you is not okay
acting entitled to know every detail about someone else’s life and getting mad at them for keeping secrets about themselves, all while you’re constantly keeping secrets, even about other people, is not okay
anyway my point is: sam hate isn’t actually about his actions, it’s about how the show and dean portray these actions. while dean negativity/hate (as rare as it is) is about his actions being objectively horrid
There so cute 😭😭😭
Try the eggnog.
Why is it that non-Wincest posts or like fanfics are more shippy than the actual Wincest posts/fics
been rewatching supernatural.
Don’t get me wrong I like dean to a point but lord have mercy is he so toxic and his fangirls/the fandom itself that validates his toxicity are the worst and one day ima make that list of everything he’s done wrong cause some of you can’t seem to grasp that Dean is a shit person most of the time
i was about the highlight the absolute win that red meat is for us wincesties when i remember the following off the top of my brain:
1x21 JOHN: KILLING THIS DEMON COMES FIRST. BEFORE ME, BEFORE EVERYTHING. SAM: (LOOKING AT A BLOODY DEAN IN THE BACKSEAT) NO SIR NOT BEFORE EVERYTHING.
2x21 DEAN: WHOA, WHOA, WOAH, SAM. SAM! HEY! HEY, HEY. COME HERE. LET ME LOOK AT YOU. HEY, LOOK AT ME. IT'S NOT EVEN THAT BAD. IT'S NOT EVEN THAT BAD, ALL RIGHT? SAMMY? SAM? SAM: (HEAD IS WOBBLING WHILE DEAN SHAKES HIM AND HOLDS HIM TIGHT) DEAN: HEY, LISTEN TO ME. WE'RE GONNA PATCH YOU UP, OKAY? YOU'LL BE GOOD AS NEW. HUH? I'M GONNA TAKE CARE OF YOU. I'M GONNA TAKE CARE OF YOU. I'VE GOT YOU.
2x22 BOBBY: SOMETHING BIG IS GOING DOWN— END OF THE WORLD BIG. DEAN: (YELLING) WELL THEN LET IT END. BOBBY: YOU DON'T MEAN THAT. DEAN: (GETS UP AND STANDS IN BOBBY'S FACE) YOU DON'T THINK SO? HUH? YOU DON'T THINK I'VE GIVEN ENOUGH? YOU DON'T THINK I'VE PAID ENOUGH? I'M DONE WITH IT. ALL OF IT. AND IF YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU, YOU'D TURN AROUND, AND GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE.
3x16 SAM: WELL THERE'S GOTTA BE SOMETHING. THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME WAY, WHATEVER IT IS I'LL DO IT. (DEAN COMES UP BEHIND HIM, GRABBING HIM) DON'T DEAN! I'M NOT GOING TO LET YOU GO TO HELL, DEAN! DEAN: YES, YOU ARE! (CALMER) YES, YOU ARE.
4x01 SAM: (STOPS DEAD WHEN HE SEES DEAN, HE SWALLOWS, SHOCKED, EYES FLICKERING BETWEEN DEAN AND BOBBY) DEAN: HEYA, SAMMY
4x22 SAM: (TO DEAN) I'M SORRY. DEAN: SAMMY, LET'S GO SAM: (CLUTCHING TO DEAN'S SHIRT WHILE DEAN GRABS SAM'S JACKET, STARING IN HORROR AT THE LIGHT) DEAN..... HE'S COMING.
5x22 DEAN: SAMMY? ARE YOU IN THERE? LUCIFER/SAM: OH, HE'S IN HERE, ALL RIGHT. (HE PUNCHES DEAN AGAIN) AND HE'S GONNA FEEL THE SNAP OF YOUR BONES. (HITS DEAN AGAIN, WHO FALLS TO THE GROUND) EVERY SINGLE ONE. (HE HAULS DEAN TO HIS FEET) WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUR TIME. (PUNCHES DEAN TEN MORE TIMES) DEAN: (PUTS HIS HAND ONTO LUCIFER/SAM'S JACKET) SAM, IT'S OKAY. IT'S OKAY. I'M HERE. I'M HERE. I'M NOT GONNA LEAVE YOU. (LUCIFER/SAM: PUNCHES HIM TWICE) I'M NOT GONNA LEAVE YOU.
5x22 (AFTER INTERLUDE) LUCIFER/SAM: (UNCLENCHES FIST, SWITCHES BACK TO SAM AGAIN, HE LETS GO OF DEAN WHO FALLS TO THE GROUND NEXT TO BABY) SAM: IT'S OKAY, DEAN. IT'S GONNA BE OKAY. I'VE GOT HIM.
Jared carrying Jensen in various Supernatural gag reels (◡‿◡✿)
he's got a point, he's an icon, he's a legend, and he is the moment
I could probably rant about how Sam deserved better and he is one of the characters that honestly did no wrong and I stand by this statement
https://at.tumblr.com/deanisatopdom/yes-sams-a-real-selfish-asshole-is-basically/3tvhzs7phyoj
What are your thoughts on this? First I was surprised to see it was jackles who said this considering the show was focused more on dean for the longest time. Feels like he really does need to be the single lead by himself, would explain the whole The Winchesters mess
All that interview tells me is that Jensen doesn't understand basic storytelling and the role of a protagonist and supporting protagonist.
Did Sam think of himself? Sure, because he wanted safety, away from the family business. But just because the storyline revolves around one character for a while doesn't mean that the character is selfish. It just means the character has more of a story that needs to be told. Supernatural is Sam's hero's journey from overcoming all the obstacles to accepting his life and finally being rewarded with what he always wanted, a stable home life, but at a very high cost - the loss of the one person closest to him.
The fact that the Dean-centric storylines were the lowest-rated in the series should have clued Jensen in to the fact that people didn't tune in for Dean's journey. In fact, all the Dean-centric stories - purgatory, Demon Dean, Michael Dean - none of them produced any real change or growth in Dean. People were annoyed that you could barely tell a difference between MOC Dean and the real Dean the characters were so similar. Dean never really went evil, or had to suffer the guilt because of it. And by the end of the series, the only real growth Dean had obtained revolved around Sam and accepting Sam's autonomy.
I think there's some real insecurity there for Jensen to want to be the lead protagonist in SPN for so long and pushing for it even though it didn't serve the story. A secure actor would recognize their role as a supporting protagonist as being equally as important as the protagonist because it allows the audience to connect with the protagonist through the supporter's view. But, for whatever reason, he couldn't recognize Dean's importance to Sam's story and that's too bad.
And yes, I believe that insecurity has led us directly into TW, where it's becoming quite clear that the entire show is starting to revolve around Dean, thereby making Dean possibly the most important character.
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